(Kiri explains how to build a simple anti-gravity device and also goes over the Hutchinson Effect where anti-gravity was demonstrated on a large array of items such as paper. Coincidentally, our guest to the channeling session Skip had some experience with getting paint to jump to just where you wanted it to go without wasting paint.) 

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Russ: I've got an engineering question for you sweetheart.

Kiri: uh-huh?

Russ: have you ever heard of a gentleman, a third dimensional Earth gentleman named John Hutchinson?

Kiri: doesn't he do what's it, spatial engineering? Not spatial engineering, constructional engineering?

Russ: not sure I don't think so. This is a guy who lives up in Canada and he went aboard a bunch of old battleships and other naval vessels that were getting ready for the scrap heap. He took a bunch of electronic gear out of them with their permission and bought them or was given to him........

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and proceeded to go ahead and build an antigravity device.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: basically creates a electric field and used a lot of stuff from Tesla to actually create what's called the Hutchinson Effect which is a fact of antigravity.....

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: and I've seen like a selection of videos on TV of this stuff actually rising up in air.

Kiri: it's very easy to do actually to build an antigravity thing. You know how you do it?

Russ: hmm?

Kiri: and I can tell you, I've had it confirmed.

Skip: you ornry thing.

Kiri: it's very, very simple. You get yourself two electromagnets. You make sure you have the positive side facing the positive side. Now what happens when you have positive facing positive?

Russ: they repel.

Skip: they repel.

Russ: repel each other. Right, which is what they think happened here but.....

Kiri: very simple.

Russ: pretty interesting stuff to watch because actually it wasn't magnetic, due the fact that paper was doing this too. And paint and other things which aren't metallic-based.

Kiri: and what they're doing is they're electrifying the surfaces so that it's positive to positive or negative to negative.

Russ: so they're charging it?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: yeah, they're giving it a charge. We used to do the same thing with paint.

Russ: yeah I mean that's what I was watching, cans of paint, the paint would actually go up to the ceiling.

Skip: no I mean actual paint, not cans of it, paint.

Russ: yeah, the paint would come out of the can and go straight to the ceiling.

Skip: okay, we do it all the time in industry.

Russ: how?

Skip: you negative charge your parts, throw them through the paint booth and you positive charge your paint and the paint goes right to it and there's no overspray.

Russ: oh.

Kiri: uh-huh, very easy, very simple.

Skip: they've been doing this for 25, 30 years with paint.

Kiri: uh-huh, you just take something that you.....

Skip: but I've never seen what you were talking about.

Russ: big globs the paint, straight to the ceiling.

Skip: yeah, yeah, yeah. No I've never seen that.

Kiri: that's easy to do.

Skip: for you.

Russ: so they put a charge to whatever it is.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: yeah they put a positive charge or vice a versa, whichever but they put one charge to the parts that needs to be painted and put the reverse charge on the paint and the paint will actually suck to the metal.

Russ: now how's it that you can charge a piece of paper?

Kiri: same principle.

Russ: I mean it's like it seems like paper can't be......it's not a conductive......

Skip: it's got atoms in it.

Kiri: everything has a conductive ability, some lesser, some greater.......everything.

Skip: including you and me.

Kiri: uh-huh. For example, where's the feline?

Russ: it went scattering off.

Skip: but you can comb your hair and make it stand straight up. Yeah that's what she's doing to Mark's hair right now.

Kiri: apart from he doesn't have very much hair left.

Russ: okay.

Skip: but that's static electricity rather than charged electricity.

Russ: charged electricity.

Skip: yeah.

Russ: what's the difference though?

Skip: and yet there isn't.

Russ: I didn't think so.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: because the static electricity can be harnessed and still used as current.

Russ: hmm.