(Kiri gives a treatise on what guides do and how they influence who they are guiding. We find out why guides choose who they do to guide and get an example from a guest where a guide we had been following for a long time blatantly kept him from a bad accident. We learn as well that guides have guides and are learning during their experience between lives. ) 

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Kiri: okay, let me put on my spiritual hat here for a second.

Skip: go ahead.

Kiri: Skip, how’s the nudges coming?

Skip: how’s the what?

Kiri: the nudges, the little suggestions, the little bits of guiding, you feel any more?

Skip: your…..

Kiri: I'm referring to your guide.

Skip: oh…..yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: kept me from rolling my truck over the mountain.

Kiri: but since then.

Skip: I’m sorry?

Kiri: but since then, have you felt more nudges? More......

Skip: since then? No.

Kiri: hmmm, I wouldn’t say that you have, well maybe he’s being a lot more subtler about it.

Skip: because he flat told me to slow down.

Kiri: uh-huh but that was where it was necessary to be vocal but a guide doesn’t speak to you constantly, they don’t even push you constantly, it’s gentle little nudges. It’s like.......the best way to describe it, it's like a cue ball on a billiard table. You push it ever so gently and it will gently move and you keep applying that pressure gently and gently and gently and it’s an unperceptible move but soon it's going to go in a different direction than it was originally. Even though you haven’t heard or felt your guide, it doesn’t mean to say that he’s not making little suggestions and little gentle pushes.

Skip: alright.

Kiri: but a guide is there with you for the long haul. They’re there to help guide you in a way that it is unnoticeable. A good guide will be so subtle that you won’t even notice it until you look up and go, “oh okay, five years ago when I was on that path I was going this way now I'm heading that way, how did I come to be there?” That’s what guides do.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: they’re not there to tell you blatantly, "go this way", not unless it is immediate, immediate danger.

Skip: that was immediate danger all right.

Kiri: uh-huh. So guides are subtle and it’s good to see you this happy and cheerful, I think Treebeard was right in saying it's need, being needed.

Russ: oh yeah good call on his part.

Skip: yeah, yeah.

Kiri: but yeah subtlety is something that is very useful. Guides the majority of the time are very, very subtle. They’ve got to be subtle because if they’re blatant, sometimes you resist. You don’t see the advantage in going that way whereas they’re looking further the down the road which they have the opportunity to do which you don’t in your stimulated and oriented existence, the same that I experience, they don’t have that stimulation of physical sensations. They have the opportunity to think and plan and see where you are going.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: and because the majority of guides know you well enough, either in past lives or in current life to be able to say, “okay, what would be best suited for Skip? What would be best suited for Russ?” The subtleties are very, very important. You can be blatant when necessary but sometimes that is not necessary.

Skip: well it was necessary when I was driving the truck and the wheel's falling off.

Kiri: uh-huh, that was what we call red alert, to use a technical term, that’s red alert.

Skip: you got it, kept me from rolling the truck off the road.

Kiri: yeah, like my technical terms?

Russ: I love them. Now guides are advancing in their own consciousness during this time so I assume when they're not on red alert that they're consciously exploring their own avenues towards progression in consciousness correct?

Kiri: correct. Okay, do we have any more questions on the spiritual side of things?

Skip: no I don’t think so.

Russ: no.

Skip: but my guide is in place now?

Kiri: yes he is, very much so. He’s still doing his times where he’s being taught and learning but those are becoming progressively less and less.

Skip: okay.

Russ: so he’s being taught by other guides?

Kiri: yes.

Russ: so it’s like a whole other life that you live after your life?

Skip: uh-huh, yeah, yeah.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: so you don't really stop living………

Skip: okay now here’s another point I'd like to bring up…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: of what we’ve been discussing earlier. A guide is needed.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: oh yeah, absolutely.

Kiri: they’re fulfilling their need.

Skip: so that’s a two-way street there, we need the guide and the guide actually needs us.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: that brings up another point. The movie that’s called “Always” I don’t know if you’ve seen it or not, it’s a story….

Kiri: it’s about the World War II pilot that's helping new pilots is that correct?

Russ: close, he flies a World War II bomber for fighting fires.

Kiri: the image, the story that Mark’s told me is that it’s about a fighter pilot that dies in a plane crash and he comes back to help another pilot advance?

Russ: not in the one I’ve seen. The one I’ve seen he fights fires, Richard Dreyfuss fights fires in a World War II bomber and then he dies…..

Kiri: oh yes that one, that’s a color film.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: okay there’s another one.

Russ: then it's probably a black and white thing…

Kiri: he’s the one that decorates what's it? The big guy with…

Russ: John Goodman.

Kiri: with the fire retardant.

Russ: fire retardant right.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: but in that he comes back after he’s dead and helps out new pilots…..

Skip: oh okay.

Russ: and the problems and the fun that goes along with that but in doing so he finds that he’s very needed and I’m thinking the Baron who…...

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: actually something that my sister……that’s where you got it from.

Russ: yeah, of course.

Skip: the Baron would make an excellent guide.

Russ: absolutely, one of the best.

Skip: yes he would, yes he would.

Kiri: see if we can find a fighter pilot that needs him.

Skip: hey, there’s lots of them out there darling that need somebody like the Baron.

Russ: the whole crew on the base probably could use him.

Kiri: yes.

Skip: oh yes, definitely, definitely.

Kiri: uh-huh. 

Skip: because these young guys coming up now, they......

Russ: the person to talk to is Taal.

Kiri: I think it’s a little too soon for the Baron to be……

Skip: yeah but he’ll get there darling, he’ll get there but once he hits this, I think he’ll find that he’s needed more this way than he was as a fighter pilot. But he’s got the experience behind him so........

Kiri: oh yeah.

Skip: his need….

Kiri: I’ll talk to my grandmother about that when I get the opportunity.

Russ: excellent, good call. 

Skip: he would be excellent.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: God you couldn't ask for a better candidate.

Kiri: no but we all do a little stint from time to time as guides.

Skip: I’m sorry we're injecting into an area that we don’t really know that much about.

Kiri: same here, I don’t that much about it either. My grandmother does.

Skip: I’ll bet you he’d make an excellent guide.

Kiri: and my grandmother……how much does she say about it, about guides?

Russ: not much.

Kiri: very little.

Skip: yes she does.

Kiri: uh-huh but she knows a lot more than she will let on.

Skip: I think that comes from all of you young people.

Kiri: that we know a lot more than we let on?

Skip: yes.

Kiri: well we’re covered by our own set of protocols, she’s covered by a different set of protocols.

Skip: that’s okay.

Kiri: a great example of a different set of protocols is my dad. My dad and his set of protocols.

Russ: isn’t he is expected to live by a certain set now that he’s president of Sirius?

Kiri: uh-huh, which doesn't cover him for the directives that we have here on the base.

Russ: for releasing information?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: well we understand that too.