(Tia starts in on a dissertation on growth and how not being stagnant on the goals for growth leads to learning karmic lessons to where they don’t have to be repeated. Where that conversation goes after that is to Atlantis due to the thought we are progressing to a level once achieved. Tia makes a correction that what we have now is what is needed and that the life I lived back then as a geneticist was much different from now. Now we learn to make due without the advantages mental skills that many were quite proficient in back then.) 

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Tia: next question.

Russ: now with each life that you go on to…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: you start your next cycle of life.....

Tia: correct.

Russ: now is there a point where you come full circle?

Tia: not that I’m aware of. Because if you go full cycle, you’re back to the point where you have learned nothing and you need to relearn those lessons. So therefore it is not growth, it becomes circular at that point.

Russ: okay well…..

Tia: I know where you’re trying to head.

Russ: from Atlantis?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: right.

Tia: so it’s different. You see what happened right? Is that you learned all the lessons that were necessary to learn at that point.

Russ: right.

Tia: you set into motion karmic debts that needed to be sorted out and deeds that were done were driven by the necessary lessons that had been learned in saying the waiting period, this is what I’m trying to understand myself, in the waiting period you decide what you need to learn best from all those possibilities that you have created and to deal and address each one at a time so that you can advance to the next level having learned those lessons and if you don’t learn them, you have to repeat them so therefore the stimuli is not there to advance you see. Having learned the lessons and getting it right, you go on to the next set of lessons. So it’s not constantly falling back, you’ve learned your lessons from that class so you move on to the next logical level.

Russ: the question I have though is, why is it in those lessons that we had to learn that point…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: we’re trying to relearn them now? I.e., say with psychic skills that we had and knew of quite well in Atlantis but now we’re trying to relearn those same skills again and bring them back up to that point we were where we lost them from.

Tia: no, I don’t see it that way at all.

Russ: healing.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay my healing skills were much greater at that point then they are now.

Tia: yes but they were also very corrupted so they needed to be pruned so that you could not go charging off and become a great geneticist in this life and create a race of mutants. You see you’re not learning how to heal, you're learning how to deal with those moral issues.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: is it right to tamper with genes to create a race of for want of a better word slaves, which is what you did last time?

Russ: right.

Tia: so are you learning new lessons or are you learning how to be like you once were?

Russ: I’m trying to learn from that point.

Tia: that’s right.

Russ: but what about telepathy?

Tia: telepathy? You have telepathy.

Russ: not to the level I had it then.

Tia: but you do not need it.

Russ: well, sometimes you think you do.

Tia: you don’t really because you don’t need those lessons and the next time I get called a nasty name like that I am going to go screaming after that cat.

Russ: okay, I see what your point is.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: so we’re going on to……..because it's just for some reason it’s tough to picture those lessons we learned in Atlantis as lesser lessons than what we’re learning now.

Tia: no, no, no not lesser, different.

Russ: different, okay.

Tia: different.

Russ: so in another words, as what Omal said, those were parts of the keys to the doors to the next evolutionary step.

Tia: correct.

Russ: and those keys opened up some locks….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: that we are now attempting to get the keys to unlock the rest of the locks.

Tia: correct. Let’s look at it a different way.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay, you have these great skills in Atlantis….

Russ: right.

Tia: you’re very adept at using them….

Russ: right.

Tia: but wouldn’t it be better to learn how to handle being without them?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: you have them, you've had them for a long time, but what about learning to survive without them?

Russ: hmmm, okay.

Tia: you see?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: now you have a whole load of new and different lessons that you need to learn. You get to a point where that you have learned to live without them and you can remember at times what it was like to live with them so when it comes time for that next logical, evolutionary step as Omal calls it you know both, you know how to live with and without them.

Russ: I see.

Tia: I use my astral travel as part of my work. Kiri’s telling me that she very seldom uses her coercion.

Russ: as part of her work?

Tia: as part of anything.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: the only time that she uses her coercion is when somebody is not behaving as they should and she’s limited on time to deal with the problem in a different way.

Russ: so in essence she learned one thing on how to use without it.....

Tia: uh-huh.....

Russ: now she has learned how to use with it and she’s balancing the two together.

(Tia starts clapping)

Russ: but now what about you? You never started off on sixth dimension, you started off on third dimension?

Tia: that is why I prefaced it by saying I’m trying to understand it as well.

Russ: ahhh.

Tia: you see?

Russ: right because you being here, I can’t call it an accident because it’s not, you’re obviously here.

Tia: I was probably ready but not ready. It was one of those things, heads or tails, am I ready or am I not ready? And I call heads and it landed on its tail.

Russ: okay. So…..

Tia: but you see what I’m saying?

Russ: right.

Tia: I should imagine I could have gone either way.

Russ: okay, understandable. So you’re getting your lessons from a different source than you would of on Durondedunn?

Tia: correct.

Russ: hmm okay. And I’m getting my sources from a different place than Sirius.

Tia: correct. So we all have our paths and lessons to walk.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay?

Russ: okay.