(Karra and I get down to the molecular level as she theorizes on how Mark makes himself solid on arriving at the base. The trick we deduce is that he almost simulates a black hole to suck in enough matter to create a physical body on the base from his astral form.) 

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Karra: uh_huh?

Russ: I have a question for you darling......

Karra: yes.

Russ: this relates back to what Treebeard and I were talking about.

Karra: uh-hmm.

Russ: if you and I are both molecules that have agreed to come together as a body, then our molecules should be....shouldn't that be something that when I use my astral ability, is I'm just taking part of my molecules and taking them up there right?

Karra: uh-hmm.

Russ: okay and then what Mark does is to reassemble them up there once he gets there.

Karra: and he collects them all as he arrives.

Russ: right, because he needs extra. So what is actually going up there, what part of his molecules are actually traveling to Hades Base?

Karra: just his consciousness.

Russ: how may molecules does that take?

Karra: you want it in a specific number?

Russ: no, I'm just kind of curious is if there is a specific number or if there is like an amount.

Karra: if you were to measure it, it would probably weigh maybe about 16 to 20 ounces.

Russ: oh really?

Karra: uh-hmm.

Russ: wow, that's a lot.

Karra: uh hmm but it takes up a very little space or it can be spread out.

Russ: interesting, okay.

Karra: hmmm, actually that....hear me through on the thought process for a second.

Russ: okay.

Karra: okay, if Mark travels up here and is in his normal form but just in the consciousness, then that would be very dispersed. But, if he compacted it, ohhhh.......this may be a lesson for him too. If he compacts it to a very tight, tight pin size, then.....

Russ: less energy is used.

Karra: less energy is used and it attracts more matter and molecules.

Russ: sort of like a black hole kind of thing?

Karra: uh-hmm, but in miniature.

Russ: I see.

Karra: so as it spreads as it collects more matter together and molecules, it grows to his full 170 pounds.

Russ: so in other words, he could actually....

Karra: that's how he does it.

Russ: and he could propel that faster if he was compacting it smaller?

Karra: uh-hmm. I think that's how he does it you know, is makes a solid jump.

Russ: hmmm.

Karra: he compacts it and creates a small little gravity well which sucks in matter and energy.

Russ: I see what you mean.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, so in other words, he can take molecules that are just dust laying on the floor and all of a sudden you have this clean spot on the floor and a full Mark.

Karra: yes, I'd have to watch that.

Russ: that'd be interesting.

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: now how does the consciousness know enough to be able to reassemble itself and.....oh yeah because it's just a basic cloning process.

Karra: uh-hmm and it's Mark.

Russ: yeah, so Mark knows...so actually because it's that 18 to 20 grams of molecules.....

Karra: uh-huh.

Russ: they all know the original. You could have just one...well a bit more.

Karra: no you need the consciousness, one would not make up a consciousness.

Russ: so it's a group consciousness. What about the molecules he pulls in from up there? Do they suddenly become part of that group consciousness?

Karra: they become under the control of that group consciousness.

Russ: oh I see, and when he leaves what happens to them?

Karra: they return back to their original state.

Russ: so all of a sudden somebody's got to go out and clean the dust up after he leaves.

Karra: well the molecules are floating around all over the place. For example, there is a big chunk of molecules.

Russ: oh okay, I see what you mean.

Karra: yeah molecules are everywhere.

Russ: that's right, because air is made up of molecules.

Karra: uh-huh. So when he pulls them all together, he creates himself in duplicate.

Russ: so when I go there, I'm more spread out and dispersed.

Karra: uh-hmm.

Russ: now what would happen if I try to compress myself down to a pin size?

Karra: you may create that gravitational well. But, you've got to remember that when Mark first did it, what almost happened?

Russ: he almost died, well he got almost thrashed.

Karra: uh-hmm, and he was even then a very experienced astral traveler.

Russ: oh yeah, that's right. Still I could take it down to a less compact size or a more compact size.

Karra: uh-hmm, which you have done in the past.

Russ: yeah which I have done in the past. But that's the key though, that's what I'm not doing now is I'm not compressing it down enough.

Karra: uh-hmm, let's say we reduce it by three quarters.

Russ: okay.

Karra: and let the matter fill in the rest. Either you will be a quarter your normal height, or...

Russ: well, our kids would sure have a good time with that.

Karra: uh-hmm, somebody their own size to play with. Even a little shorter than that.

Russ: a little shorter than that actually yeah.

Karra: uh-huh...the Cubs may have a time to play with you.

Russ: okay I see, yeah take it down to a quarter size, now would that possibly though attract other molecules just because I am getting smaller?

Karra: hopefully, hopefully.

Russ: hopefully right. That would be something just to practice without astral traveling though, just use a mental amount to compress my consciousness just sitting around.

Karra: uh-huh,

Russ: hmm, interesting......okay.

Karra: hmm, that would explain why he doesn't have the nicks, cuts and scratches because he's not cloning himself totally.

Russ: right.

Karra: but down there he has the cuts and scratches and nicks and cuts that he normally has.

Russ: uh-huh.