(Tia explains how the methods for astral travel vary greatly and also discusses trans-dimensional astral travel jumps. We get from her the technical aspects of making the jump such as the key being the velocity achieved from the energy available to the astral traveler.) 

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Tia: okay do you have questions?

Russ: on astral travel?

Tia: uh-hum.

Russ: what about the technique of imagining yourself at the foot of the bed and then directing your consciousness to that imagination? That visualization you make.

Tia: yes that does work in some cases. I don't personally recall having ever done that and I'm pretty sure Mark has never done that and if he continues swearing like that I'm going to scratch his eyes out.

(a cat at the door was making a lot of noise)

Russ: well I would almost bet he would continue doing that. Want me to throw him out the back door here?

Tia: where is he, he's out there isn't he?

Russ: he's in the garage.

Tia: yes. Let him in and then throw him out the back door, that will keep him happily entertained for a few.

Russ: okay.

Tia: whilst I talk about astral travel and imagining your consciousness at the foot of the bed routine. Well, this again is another technique that is worth exploring. The exploration of that technique is something that should be done.........tell you what, let him in and let him get a bite to eat.

Russ: okay.

Tia: that's what he's demanding is food. There he goes straight off for the food right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: okay, and in using various techniques and experimentation with those techniques will give an individual the best feel for what technique works for her or him. The techniques that we have described work for us and have worked in trials up here for us. So therefore it's not right for us to say that those are the appropriate ones to use, it's just alternatives to try and whatever works for the individual works regardless of the fact of whether it is doing the laying down in a circle and using candles or a 10 deep and 10 shallow listening to nice, soothing music. Those are just two possible ways of astral traveling. You can get as many astral travel masters together as you can from different countries and they will talk and they will pick out certain things that are working for them but cobbling all those ideas together and coming up with the right formula that works for everyone is something that would be difficult. As for projecting your consciousness to the foot of the bed and traveling from there, that is just another kind of astral travel.

Russ: hmm okay. So best bet is maintaining a calm, using the breathing and projecting yourself in the ways we described before.

Tia: no, I didn't say that. What I said was that what works for the individual works for the individual,experimentation is the best thing. Our methods work up here and the other method that is used in the how to astral travel is something that Mark and myself worked on together that works also well but I did not say that they were the only ones.

Russ: right.

Tia: they are other possible ways of astral traveling. And to re-go over what I just said, there are a myriad of possible ways to astral travel.

Russ: okay, now when you're switching dimensions, is there any way that you can ease that process up?

Tia: I don't see that there is. It does get eased up with more and more usage and practice certainly but the rough crossover appears to be part of it.

Russ: hmm, okay.

Tia: it's a little bit like the early vessels that you had that were breaking the sound barrier.

Russ: right.

Tia: for them to start off with it was a real choppy, jumpy movement and as the pilots progressed on to better and better aircraft, it got easier and easier and smoother and smoother.

Russ: hmmm, so basically you just at first, you get kind of scared going through that.

Tia: uh-huh. I wouldn't say scared, anxiety and adrenaline rush.

Russ: right, once you go through there though you're connected by your silver cord so if you have any problems it can draw you right straight back.

Tia: yes uh-huh.

Russ: okay, good enough.

Tia: yeah, it's something that should not be worrying. If you're not ready to do it, you can't do it full-stop, end of discussion, end of subject, end of matter period, bunmfp, that's it. But if you are ready and you can do it and you have the power and the capability and the technical knowledge on how to do it, it shouldn't present too much of a problem apart from the fact of the adrenaline, the excitement of doing it.

Russ: well now we didn't really talk about the technical knowledge of doing it, all we've discussed is the theoretical knowledge........

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: followed by Mark's descriptions of going through it and mine is a little bit different.

Tia: yeah.

Russ: so what technical knowledge would be necessary for someone just starting out who wishes to do this?

Tia: well the technical knowledge would be knowing the correct point of exiting, the necessary speed to be achieved to do the breakthrough.

Russ: is that different with everyone?

Tia: it varies from person to person to a certain extent. There are key things that are the same, the building feeling of as you approach it the excitement increases and increases and that's also the energy building up that's enough to project, to create the breach for you to jump through.

Russ: I see.

Tia: those are pretty much common things throughout all astral travel. All trans-dimensional astral travel should I say. Okay the technical data is the necessary velocity increases as the approach for the jump occurs. Obviously the faster you go, the quicker you achieve it, the more energy is built up to be able to make the penetration for the jump and the projection necessary to create the breach or hole is the same amount for everyone. It just depends on how much energy a person is capable of projecting for that purpose. As the energy builds up and as the critical moment is approached, the energy is focused in such a way ahead of the person that it creates the breach or hole as the person approaches. Now obviously the hole seals up directly behind the person and seals around the umbilical cord that keeps them in touch with their third dimensional or sixth dimensional world. Now it's a constant same buildup either way, coming or going, making the jump from or to and the velocity that is achieved at that critical moment coupled with the energy creates the jump. The more energy that is put in of course, the faster the jump which also goes with the velocity. However, if the hole closes before you reach it, then you do not go slap bang into a wall, you just carry on going as you were in the same dimension just getting faster and faster as you would expect as you approach the velocity that is necessary to make the jump. However, if you have already projected the energy and the hole closed before you achieved the correct velocity, then that doesn't matter because you can always project more energy in to do the same thing if you have the energy reserves to do it.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: now if something does go wrong, the friction created on the umbilical cord reopens the hole so that you can pop out.

Russ: oh I see.

Tia: uh-huh. It pulls you back and no more elapsed time has passed then would normally be expected in the duration of the jump. You see, when you go through into the fourth dimension before you head to the fifth dimension, the cord slides along with you. It doesn't stay stationary at let us pick a fictional time of about 9:30. It continues sliding up through all the time possibilities and variabilities, they slide around your umbilical cord as it progresses on up on the relevant time. So when you make the reentry and you are spooling in your umbilical cord as it were.....there is a word I hate to say, spooling........then it moves up with you, otherwise you would be reentering at the exact same time that you left which would be very, very difficult to achieve.

Russ: right.

Tia: now, with duration jumps, it is slightly different on the umbilical cord due to the fact that the elapsed time may be five hours but you actually return an hour after you left. That involves a little bit of tricky stuff which I'm not fully comprehensible on, you'd have to talk to the experts on that.

Russ: okay now what about the abilities to jump from the third to the seventh dimension?

Tia: well basically they are very similar, it just takes more energy to make all those various energy buildups and jumps. For example, when Mark goes from or you go from the third dimension to the fourth dimension, what you are doing is projecting energy to breach the fourth and then energy to breach into the fifth.

Russ: right.

Tia: it's just more projection of energy for the jumps. For example on the 20th, I believe you have been invited to a formal function on the sixth dimension.

Russ: right.

Tia: and the energy that is necessary is not for a jump to the fifth but a jump to the sixth. So you go from the third to the fourth as your first jump point, to the fifth, that's the second jump point, to the sixth which is your third jump point. You just need a third more energy than you normally do.

Russ: I see. And it's just though the seventh you would go another one.

Tia: correct.

Russ: what changes are you going to recognize in the seventh then you would in the sixth?

Tia: I don't know, I've never been there.

Russ: oh. I guess it's a question of clarity, I'll ask Omal.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: hmm, interesting question though.

Tia: yeah, it is.

Russ: okay. I can't think of anything else on astral travel.