(Omal uses the killings at
Columbine high school earlier that day as an
example of the declining morals of society hence
the need to encourage a high moral standard for
any child being raised. It's a subject made even
more relevant in today's examples of mass
shootings.)
Omal:
okay, do we pick a topic or
do we discuss things at
random?
Russ: well one thing I
wanted to work on a little
bit was the shooting that
did happen in the suburbs of
Denver and the ability of
people to snap. Whereas, as
Kiri was saying, there’s a
point where the moral base
that people work from in the
past has been stronger than
it has been now
apparently…..
Omal: uh-huh.
Russ: and the ability to
snap and just lose it all in
a moment or even pre-plan it
for days or a week seems to
have gotten less and less.
Omal: yes?
Russ: is as she was saying
it is a sign of the times,
was it media related
perhaps?
Omal: perhaps yes, it is
definitely the moral issue
that life has become cheap,
that you do see as Kiri put
it so much death and
destruction on your
entertainment devices. It
has become popular
entertainment to watch
people being maimed and
killed whether it is in a
pseudo-entertainment world
or in actual fact on your
news services.
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: pick a movie.
Russ: "Groundhog Day".
Omal: is there somebody
killed in that?
Russ: many times.
Omal: correct.
Skip: yes, yes, yes.
Omal: pick another one.
Russ: "Fantasia"?
Omal: are there people being
killed in that?
Russ: yeah, absolutely.
Skip: in what?
Russ: "Fantasia", from
Disney.
Omal: I am not familiar with
"Fantasia" nor was I
familiar with "Groundhog
Day". Okay let’s pick
another one.
Russ: go ahead Skip.
Skip: you mean violent ones?
Omal: any.
Russ: no just anything.
Skip: well even the cartoons
that the kids watch which
are what, five minutes of
cartoons or ten minutes?
They’re beating up on each
other, they’re killing each
other and everything else.
Omal: so therefore it is a
part of society accepted,
most people until recently
it seems to me were aware
that that was for
entertainment and it was not
real. Now the lines have
become blurred because of
your news media showing
people getting shot, blown
up, running out of houses on
fire, bombs being dropped,
being shot on beaches, being
shot at vacation resorts, at
high schools, at colleges,
at universities and they
hear all the gory details
and see all the gory details
that they become numb to it
so therefore it loses its
value as life.
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: so it is definitely a
sign of the times, whether
or not it is a sign of an
end or a beginning is
unknown.
Skip: yeah that’s the
media’s fault.
Omal: I wouldn’t say just
the media, I would say it's
people in general being
prepared to sit down and see
these events as it happens.
It is a negative side of the
technology communication
revolution.......
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: the fact that the
morals seem to have gone by
the wayside.
Russ: hmm.
Skip: yeah they have.
Russ: interesting. In
dealing with it then, an
individual’s morals are what
are really important for now
and to pass those onto
others that you deal with.
Omal: correct.
Skip: but they’re not being
passed on, that’s the
problem.
Russ: well you and I and
Mark, we pass our morals on.
Skip: okay, present company
excepted…..
Russ: right.
Skip: but the young people
growing up, their folks
aren’t teaching them the
morals like we were taught.
Russ: hmm. Omal is this
maybe a problem of single
families, or single-parent
families perhaps?
Skip: no not really, even
double-parent
families……single-parent
families it used to be that
you didn’t, you didn’t live
with another person unless
you were married, now it’s
an accepted thing for two
people to live together
period.
Omal: Skip is quite correct.
Russ: uh-huh
Skip: and that’s the
beginning of your breakdown
of your morals right there,
that’s the start of it. And
using vulgar or cursing
language, there’s another
problem.
Omal: uh-huh.
Skip: the parents use it,
the kids use it and it's
accepted all over even the
films and movies and it is
using the vulgar language
which if we used vulgar
language when I was a kid
you get your mouth washed
out with soap.
Russ: yeah I threatened one
of my kids that was playing
games tonight with that so
I’m seeing it more and more.
(from an incident at the
cyber cafe I co-owned at the
time)
Skip: yeah you're seeing it
all the time and even in
feature films that are
entertainment, the people
are using foul language.
They use four letter words
like they’re running out of
style.
Omal: again Skip is quite
correct, it is something
that can be changed. If you
start at an early age that
you do not use curse words,
foul or abusive language,
especially around a child
and an infant, therefore it
teaches even at an early age
that it is wrong. And if you
explain later to a child
that the reason that the
child mustn't use the
language even at school with
the companions of the child
is because the child by not
falling in with those word
structures becomes superior,
becomes morally better,
becomes educationally
better, is looked upon with
more respect. At first it
will be looked upon as the
child is a wimp but if the
child holds to the patterns
laid down by the parent or
parents, then the child
becomes morally better and
in later life looked upon
and respected as long as the
child also acts with
strength. And if the child
is instructed in a way that
uses the child’s mind, that
it can resort to
name-calling so the other
children do not understand
that they're being
name-called increases a
child’s intellect and also
makes a child realize that
it can help its friends in
the same way. One drop of
water can be the drop of
water that overflows the
bucket.
Russ: hmmm.
Omal: or fills the vessel to
full, whatever you wish to
phrase it as but it is
important from the get-go
that there is no foul or
abusive language. Continue.
Skip: what I keep running
into and it’s not my
generation but the
generation that Mark and
Russ are more or less in
which would be what? Two
generations behind me?
Russ: more or less.
Skip: yeah………..is even the
ladies that have children
are using foul and abusive
language even around their
children.
Omal: which is totally wrong
and unacceptable.
Skip: but everybody, I say
everybody, I’m using
terminology of what I’ve run
into accepts it and by
accepting it they're tearing
up their own morals, their
own loyalty, their
own……..when I was a kid
patriotism and loyalty was
something that made you glow
from the inside but there
isn’t any of that left
anymore. The same with
journeyman doing their job,
there’s no craftsmanship
left anymore or it seems not
to be okay? In my own
personal looking at things,
we’ve gotten to a point of
where they’ve made this a
throwaway world.
Omal: you again are very
correct, it is definitely
changing. Whether it is
changing for the better or
for the worse is something
that is yet to be seen but,
it is definitely the pangs
of a society that is
changing. Whether or not
there will be a few voices
in the wilderness such as
yourselves that say, “stop,
this is enough, it must
change.” The old ways were
probably correct, the new
ways are probably incorrect
or correct depending on your
point of view…..
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: but blending the two
together. Certainly having a
higher technology but having
the intelligence to use the
technology in such a way
that it benefits all and
lays a moral pathway that is
beneficial for all.
Russ: well Skip brings up a
good point on the question
of patriotism. It seems now
with the advanced
communication abilities of
both the media and the
Internet, patriotism seems
to have fallen by the
wayside and we seem to be on
that road. Now the question
I have is again as you
mentioned is it for the good
or for the bad? Now one
would say yes it’s for the
good because patriotism
brings a good sense of unity
to the country you’re in but
at the same time our efforts
to change to a more world
united planet would seem be
pushing in the direction
that says well maybe
patriotism toward a species
as us being humans or a
species being involved with
living on one planet might
be important for the future
also?
Omal: yes but also……..sorry,
continue.
Skip: but what’s happening
here is that’s not
happening, people are losing
patriotism in their country
or their ethnic background
or their religion or
whatever or their country
but they’re not replacing it
with the patriotism of
earthlings or humans or
whatever. It’s not being
replaced, it’s just being
thrown away.
Omal: again Skip is very
correct, you’re doing very
well tonight as well I might
add.
Skip: thank you.
Omal: I believe it was Kiri
that was discussing pride in
one’s ethnic group.
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: I believe it was in
connection with the comment
of aren’t you earthlings
after all? And Kiri
said……her answer was, "well
I am Sirian first but I’m
also from the highlands
second". It is good to have
pride in your ethnic
heritage…..
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: in your ethnic group.
So it would be equally wise
and sensible to have pride
in the fact of first of all
you’re human but secondly
you’re Americans…..
Skip: uh-huh.
Omal: and thirdly, you are
of Native American descent
or Polish descent or German
descent or Irish or all of
the above but you are
Americans secondly and
humans first.
Russ: no one seems to be
pushing that end of it
though you’re right, no
one’s replacing it with
anything.
Skip: that’s it exactly.
Russ: I think something
should be done, maybe we
should replace it with
something.
Omal: maybe the talk here
now should be turned into
action. Don’t forget, you
may be the little drops that
are prelude to the storm,
the shower, the rain cloud
burst.
Russ: I absolutely agree,
sure.
Skip: I understand.
Russ: I mean what we have at
tools available, quite easy
to do actually. It'd take a
long time to get going but
time is all we have left.
Skip: well…..
Russ: lessons to be learned,
it’s a good lesson.
Skip: hmm.
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