helps a guest get more efficient with
his healing to help it improve before
moving on to the question of how much a
person being healed should know that it
is them doing the actual healing. She
gives us the correct way to do it to get
the best results.)
let us look at healing. I believe we
were working on some healing things
with you last time we talked, I think
it was two weeks ago?
Skip: yes it was.
Skip: now I have a question before you
start so I don’t interrupt you okay?
Karra: well I was going to actually
say something briefly and then leave
it open to talk……
Karra: but feel free.
Skip: okay, I’ve started doing more
active healing than I’ve done in the
Skip: now I know you young ladies were
Skip: and you gave me some pointers
which I really appreciate.
Skip: but by me doing this, am I
increasing my own powers of healing?
Karra: let me put it another way.
Skip: go ahead.
Karra: if you pick up weights and work
with the weights, what do you do?
Skip: you gain strength.
Karra: so by working with your
Skip: I’m picking up more power
Karra: well you’re picking up more
knowledge and skill.
Karra: it’s like having a gallon of
your petroleum liquid….
Karra: and you put it into your
vehicle and it goes 30 miles
Skip: yeah, go ahead.
Karra: okay, let us say that you get
given another gallon of fuel and for
the same car but you want to make it
go further, you make it more
Karra: by saying that you increase
your power is inaccurate to a certain
extent. Certainly by using it you gain
more skill and information and you
learn how to use it more
Karra: which is better than if you
were to continue using the same amount
of energy but increasing your
strength. By using the energy more
efficiently, you can do much more with
it than if you were to just increase
your strength and your ability.
Certainly that does happen but the key
is to be more efficient with what you
have so that you can do more which is
just the same as increasing your
Skip: uh-huh, okay.
Karra: if anything I would say that
that is better because A, you’re using
your energy and strength more
efficiently and B, you are learning.
You can increase and increase and
increase your strength all day long
but if you’re expending the same
amount of energy, then you’re not
achieving that much. But if you
increase your strength at the same
time as increasing your knowledge,
things work much better and much more
efficiently and you’re able to do
more. Even if you don’t increase your
strength, by using that energy more
efficiently, you can do more.
Karra: so if you do both, you can do a
lot, lot more.
Skip: okay thank you darling.
Karra: uh-huh. But as I was going to
say, with healing goes the moral
responsibility and the patience to go
with it. Not the patients as in people
that need healing but the patience in
taking your time and not hurrying
things. You cannot hurry things
because if you hurry, you overlook
sometimes important things. So with
healing, it is necessary sometimes to
be slow and cautious but, on the other
hand, being slow sometimes can be
costly so it is a matter of gaining
that all-important experience so that
you can learn how to use your
experience more efficiently and to
avoid mistakes which could be costly.
And also learning when to say, "I
can't do this, I need somebody that
knows more than I do."
Karra: okay who’s beeping?
Russ: not me.
Karra: okay, questions.
Russ: okay, well the last time we
talked you mentioned how people heal
themselves and that’s one of the keys
Karra: oh last time we talked in the
Russ: uh-huh correct. With that, it’s
beginning to be a point where you can
heal really by giving them encouraging
words that for example they're looking
Karra: yes to a certain extent, that
is true for simple ailments.
Russ: right but that would help most
anybody actually be a healer at that
Russ: just by not giving them negative
comments but instead turning them to
Russ: I mean you could do more harm
with a word in that case then you
could with anything else.
Karra: that’s correct.
Skip: that’s why it pays to be a
positive person as much as you can be.
Karra: that is very correct, I
would’ve thought that would have been
Russ: yeah but our readers won’t
Karra: ahh, we have readers?
Russ: we have thousands of readers.
Karra: I'm pulling your….
(Skips laughs out loud)
Skip: now I made comments to a young
lady that I was kind of taken under my
wing more or less to heal, I asked her
two questions before I ever started
and I’m wondering if I was correct and
positive in doing this or not. I asked
her if she believed or if she trusted
me and then I asked her if she
believed in healing, spiritual and
Skip: now are these correct procedures
to take to begin with or am I
Karra: it depends on the situation,
it’s something that comes with
experience. There are times where it
is not the right idea to ask those
Skip: now I was trying to do a major
thing with her.
Karra: uh-huh, oh I understand, I
Skip: now other people I’ve just taken
headaches away I never said anything
Karra: but by saying do you believe is
sowing seeds of self-doubt you see.
But also bringing it to the attention
also can make them aware that they can
heal and be healed so it is something
that you have to gauge carefully.
Russ: now is this something where you
could say instead, “now, I’d like to
remind you that you do have the
ability to heal yourself....."
Russ: "and it’s your belief that will
Karra: no let’s drop the term…….
Skip: now you’re stepping into
something different here.
Karra: yeah the thing is that you’re
talking belief right? By mentioning
belief, you are saying that you have
Russ: so it's just another way of
saying you have the ability to heal
Skip: no that was what we was put out
as something that wasn’t for public
knowledge as I understood it, am I
correct or wrong?
Karra: you’re correct in saying that
you can heal yourself, that is
Skip: most people won’t believe you.
Karra: uh-huh, correct.
Skip: but most people……
Russ: well having the knowledge of it
sows the seeds that they can then do
Karra: but that takes time, that takes
Skip: well okay but the only reason I
ask this young lady is because…..
Karra: thank you.
Skip: I already have the feeling that
she had something in her background
where she understood what I was
Skip: I wouldn’t do this to anybody.
Russ: right, I was just thinking in
future situations where for example
I’m in the same situation.
Karra: yeah but by saying that you
have the ability to heal yourself is
something that healers like to keep to
themselves until the time is
appropriate that the person is well on
the way to recovery. Sort of like,
“hey, I helped you, I did what I could
but without you and your ability to
heal yourself I couldn’t have done
it.” But you don’t say that until
later because if you tell them,
"you’ve got to believe that you can
heal yourself", you're sowing the
seeds of self-doubt. So by saying, "I
can heal you, I can help you", is more
important than saying…....yes I know
Russ: but isn’t that building up your
own self over and above the purpose of
Karra: no, no.
Skip: I don’t believe so, I think that
what you’re doing is you’re
establishing a faith in you that you
can do something to help them, even
though they’re helping themselves.
Karra: uh-huh, the energy that they
are producing is the fact that they
believe that you can help them.
Russ: but what if they don’t? I mean
is the pressure on you……..
Skip: well they don’t than it doesn’t
Russ: yeah well at that point I mean
is the pressure then a fact of, “well
I don’t have to do anything, I’ll just
sit here and let them heal me.”
Skip: that’s fine.
Russ: no it isn’t fine because then
they’re not doing anything to help
Karra: okay this is how it works, if
they believe that you can heal them,
that is using their energy. “Hey this
guy can heal me, I don't have to do
anything, I can sit here and they go
through the whole entire process. I
feel good afterwards, this felt good,
I feel better.”
Russ: but what if they’re going in
expecting to be healed and they don’t
feel any different and they just say,
"well this guy’s a fake, a charlatan,
he didn’t do anything for me”? So it’s
not going to work in a hundred percent
of the cases.
Karra: nothing works……
Skip: that’s right, you still got the
Russ: yeah but your percentage I think
if you tell them you’re helping me to
heal you from the very get-go
increases your odds up.
Skip: no it don’t.
Karra: no it doesn’t because it can
also work the other way.
Skip: because they’re expecting more
out of you then what they’re expecting
out of themselves.
Karra: uh-huh, although even though
all of healing comes from themselves
Skip: you’re powering it up.
Karra: you’re focusing that energy to
help heal them. If they go in and you
tell them that they can heal
themselves and nothing happens, they
go, “what’s wrong with me, why can’t I
heal myself? Oh my, it must be worse
than I thought.” Or, “what’s wrong
with me, why can’t I do this?” Which
again is negative. If they go in and
you can’t heal them right? Is it
better that they think that you’re a
charlatan and they do not change their
condition or that they get a little
better? Which is better?
Shane: the first one.
Skip: and sometimes healing takes more
than once or twice or even three,
four, five, six times.
Karra: uh-huh. There is no…….
Skip: set standard.
Karra: no cure on your planet that
works 100% of the time for everybody.
Russ: I suppose I just want to take
away the mysticism of healing and give
people more of an explanation of how
Skip: okay but you understand okay and
I understand and this young lady
understands but there’s a lot of
people out there that have no concept
of what we’re doing, none whatsoever.
Russ: oh I understand that part.
Skip: and if you try to tell them that
they're healing themselves with your
help, they don’t know what the heck
you’re talking about and they got
their doubts right now that you can’t
do it because they don’t want to do it
but if they walk into you and say,
“hey you’re a healer, I trust you.”
Skip: as you’re doing something to
make them feel better then all of a
sudden you tell them okay, “now,
you’re getting better but it isn’t all
my doing, it's your doing and me
helping you do it.”
Russ: yeah but all you're doing is
taking responsibility away from
themselves and putting it on yourself.
Karra: if you have an individual that
has a throat condition and you know
what I’m talking about and you tell
them that they can heal themselves and
it doesn’t get better, then they
think, “what is my problem, why can’t
I heal myself, what is different about
me then everybody else? What is wrong
with me, why can’t I do this? I can’t
cure it, then there is no cure, then
I’m going to die. That’s it, end,
over, done.” And that person has given
up but, if on the other hand you say,
“look, it’s beyond my ability, I can’t
help you but together we might be able
to do this but it is beyond my ability
to fight this ailment. I suggest that
you go to somebody that has far more
experience than I do. Let’s go to a
doctor.” That doctor looks at the
problem and describes ways of dealing
with it. The person feels better, they
start to get better even before the
treatment starts because they believe
that that doctor can heal them as you
can help them to heal. Now, as they're
getting better before the treatment,
what’s happened? Their mind has kicked
in in the belief that that doctor
which could just as easily be you can
help to heal them. Now, if they
believe that you can heal them, they
don’t need to know that it’s them
healing themselves because if they
don’t start to get better, then that
starts the whole entire negative
pathway. Instead of being upset at
somebody else, they're now upset at
themselves which makes the problem
even worse. That’s why you do not tell
them because if things don’t go as
they should, then they blame
themselves and they get worse whereas
instead of blaming somebody else and
going on to somebody else that has
more experience and getting
better……see how it works?
Karra: so you can’t go around
screaming that everybody can heal
themselves. Sure they can but, if they
don’t, then it works even worse than
somebody trying to heal them that they
don’t believe can heal them because it
feeds back on themselves. You
Russ: well I do, I just have questions
Russ: well for example, healing is a
skill, just like playing baseball or
Russ: anything else and if I know I
can heal myself and I don’t succeed,
I’ll either A, do one of two things…….
Russ: I’ll practice harder and try to
succeed again or go to a doctor……
Karra: but this…..
Russ: or I’ll try to be successful and
if it doesn’t work then I’ll go to a
Karra: but this person that I
mentioned is not like that.
Russ: well I understand, it’s just
personally, maybe it’s just me……
Russ: maybe I just see this different
from other people but if I want to do
something and I fail, then I want to
do it better the next time.
Karra: yes but some people aren’t like
that, if they can’t do it they give
Russ: well yeah.
Karra: so going around screaming that
people can heal themselves is wrong
because yes they can but if they fail
and they give up it is far worse.
Skip: then it’s worse.
Karra: uh-huh, it makes it harder for
somebody to come along and heal.
Skip: see I understood, now can I
interrupt you a minute darling?
Skip: I understood that when we were
told a healer’s secret which is that
people heal themselves, we just assist
them, that that was a secret that we
keep, we don’t tell people about it
until they get to a point of where
they’re actually getting better.
Karra: or preferably healed.
Russ: right, I understand that yeah.
Skip: okay, now if we do this…..okay,
say I take on this young man and he
doesn’t know anything about healing….
Skip: and I tell him, “well you can
heal yourself with my help.” He looks
at me like I’m crazy. He don’t even
know what I’m talking about because
he’s never had any contact with it.
But if I go up to him and say, “I can
help fix you, I can heal you if you
trust me and do you believe that I can
do this?” “Well yeah.”
Karra: well there’s actually an easier
way instead of doing that whole entire
spiel is you’re talking to the person
and say, “hmmm, I notice that you’ve
got a headache. I know something that
makes me feel better when I have a
headache” you see. See what I’m
Karra: instead of going through, “I
can help to heal you…” “I know a
little old home remedy that makes me
feel better. I’ve used it on a few
other people and it makes them feel
better too. Let me try it on you, I
can’t guarantee that you’re going to
feel better but most of the people
that I have used it on have.” So
you’re saying to them that, “hey,
other people feel better with it" and
you're kicking in their healing
because they go, “oh, well if other
people feel better then maybe this
Karra: but if you go in and say to
them, “well I can help you to focus so
that you can make yourself feel
better” and if that doesn’t work then
not only are they upset at you but
they’re upset at themselves and it
goes back to, “why can’t I heal, why
can’t I make myself better?"
Karra: I know part of what Russ’
problem is at the moment.
Russ: yeah, it’s a third dimensional
Karra: it’s also the fact you’re
Russ: well yeah it’s also that but on
sixth dimension you don’t worry about
Russ: everybody already knows you heal
yourself or you can heal yourself
unless it’s really bad.
Karra: okay let us move along.
Skip: okay go ahead darling.
Karra: instead of getting stuck in
this rut of the healer’s secret. Now
first of all, what does a secret mean?
Skip: it means you keep it to
Karra: or something that is not widely
known is what Shane was going to say.
Remember that Russ, you’ve already
broken the healer’s secret a few
Russ: well millions of people around
the world hear about this every day.
Russ: I mean it’s not like it’s a real
big secret because I read about it in
just the Sedona Journal of Emergence
all the time and other places.
Karra: yes but…..
Russ: it’s not a real well-kept secret
Karra: no it’s not but healers do not
go around spouting it, doctors do not
go around in a hospital saying that,
“I can do the physical healing, you
can do the mental healing.” They have
special people for that called
Skip: yeah, psychology.
Karra: uh-huh, people make a whole
entire living out of it on your
Skip: yeah I notice that a lot of
physicians are starting to bring in
spiritual people to help them with
Karra: uh-huh. Okay, next question.
Russ: oh no, my can of worms is
Karra: ohhhh, we will address that
Karra: okay, any more questions?
Skip: I don’t think so darling, we
covered that subject pretty cotton
Karra: how did my piece of advice help
Skip: go ahead.
Karra: I told you not to worry about
things last time we chatted, did that
Skip: for me?
Skip: it’s getting there let’s put it
Karra: it takes time.
Skip: it’s taking me a long time.
Karra: it takes time.
Skip: yeah because I’m writing a
journal and I’m starting to put things
down on paper and it’s starting to
kind of leave my mind when I write
Karra: uh-huh, that’s a good way.
Skip: thank you.
Russ: thank you darling.