(Karra addresses a topic not yet
covered which is mental healing. First she
looks at the methods on this planet with a
professional eye and then explains how in some
imaginary scenarios, analysts on the base or
Sirius would handle the mental issues being
let’s get on to answering questions,
okay? As a reminder, Shane, what do I
Shane: what are you?
Karra: I’m a healer, I heal.
Shane: you heal people.
Karra: that’s right, something I enjoy
doing that I don’t get an opportunity
to do much. Now, healing, there is
physical healing and mental healing
and spiritual healing. Let us look at
the most common kind of healing,
mental healing, dealing with mental
problems. It is popular in
pseudo-scientific circles to blame a
lot of problems on repressed or hidden
memories. This is tosh and bunk,
either it happened or it didn’t
happen. If looking at a dysfunction,
the analyst comes to the conclusion
that there was some kind of abuse
whether it was physical or mental and
it is being repressed and they talk
the person into believing that it's a
repressed memory, then you have
serious problems. That is something to
be careful to watch out for. It is
common for people that have the need
to talk to what would you call them,
Skip: a good listener.
Shane: head shrinkers.
Karra: what’s a head shrinker? Isn’t
Karra: oh psychiatrist, psychoanalyst.
Those are some of the shakiest areas
because it is a subjective point of
view. A psychoanalyst takes what they
think they know, analyzes it with the
aid of the person, they look at it and
they come to a conclusion. Frequently
they come to the right conclusion,
just as frequently they come to the
wrong conclusion. It’s kind of like
picking a scab, if you pick a scab, it
takes longer to heal. If you pick it
occasionally, it's part of the healing
process but if you’re picking it
constantly, it becomes festered and
does more damage. And this is what
some psychoanalysts do, they take a
possible event and blow it out of all
proportion and do more damage in the
so-called aid for healing than is
actually done. They may heal the
person but they destroy the patient.
Skip: well that’s for sure.
Karra: very strange, very strange.
Shane: happens a lot.
Karra: it does unfortunately according
to Tia. So there are certain ethical
questions of healing when you’re doing
mental healing that need to be
addressed. One is if you suspect that
there's a hidden problem, a repressed
memory, is it appropriate to dig at it
and find out if it is a real memory or
a misinterpreted memory or a fake
memory? Most people when they’re in
healing sessions that are in a
counseling healing session are very
open and receptive to suggestions. You
can basically turn them into puppets
at that point so it is a very strong
ethical question on the healer
themselves. Is the healer having a bad
day, does the healer like the person,
does the healer like the person but
hates one of the people involved? You
have to be very careful when you’re
picking at these things and that
healers that deal with these kind of
thing should be put through a special
training course to deal with morals
and be able to repress their opinions,
their points of view, their thought
processes and look logically at the
facts. Not what is maybe, what maybe
not, just the facts. So that is a way
of dealing as a healer with mental
problems, the first step, the ethical
questions. Any questions?
Karra: I can see I’ve stirred up a
Russ: now one thing I’ve got is,
oftentimes a psychologist is digging
up repressed memories due to the fact
that the person he is analyzing……
Shane: he or she.
Russ: he or she has got a problem
dealing with society where something
that would be caused by some memory
that is holding them back from
contributing or expressing themselves
due to the fact that they've repressed
this thing and it's eating away at
them subconsciously and don’t even
know about it.......
Russ: it makes up a part of their
personality and lifestyle.
Russ: by bringing it out, you’re
effectively changing that personality,
changing their lifestyle good or bad….
Russ: usually bad because everybody
involved is usually hurt by it but in
their eyes they’re helping, they’re
healing that what they call an
abnormal or aberrant…..
Karra: behavioral pattern.
Russ: behavioral patterns.
Russ: caused by the fact that
something has been repressed for that
Karra: sometimes it’s best to not
bring up repressed, so-called
repressed or real repressed memories
because as you pointed out, it does
damage. In healing the patient you
destroy the friends and you cause more
problems. Some psychoanalysts do this
and will have a whole string of
patients that are all related one
Skip: okay I got a question for you if
you don’t mind…….
Karra: yes I do mind.
(Skip starts chuckling)
Skip: okay these patients have learned
to live with these memories or events
that happened in their lives and
they've gone on to build a fruitful
life, wouldn’t it be better just to
leave them memories and bits and
coincidence and stuff alone?
Karra: in most cases I would say yes.
Russ: there’s some cases where you
would say no too.
Karra: correct and in the cases where
it’s best to leave them alone is if
the person is functioning reasonably
normally. In those situations if a
patient was to come to a psychiatrist
up here or psychoanalyst up here, they
would talk about well the problem, not
the root cause of the problem but how
to fix the problem. For example, let’s
make up a fictional person. Let's say
there is a person that comes to one of
our psychoanalysts and has an aversion
to short people.
Shane: to what?
Skip: short people.
Karra: short people. Now how would you
overcome that problem? And the analyst
would discuss it with the subject and
look at the fear and say, “well it’s
an irrational fear, little people
cannot hurt you.” But maybe a long
time ago the person as a child was
beaten frequently by somebody that was
short in stature, frequently….
Karra: but has repressed that memory,
very unlikely up here but I’m taking
it as a hypothetical situation.
Skip: yeah go-ahead babe.
Karra: so how do you address and fix
the problem that this person has an
irrational fear of short people? What
you would do is introduce them to
somebody that is sitting behind a
chair, behind a table at the same
height as they are and they would be
introduced and talk to each other
regularly in the same setting.
Russ: hmm, makes sense.
Karra: now the person would get up and
maybe the person’s taller, maybe the
person’s shorter, preferably the
person’s taller to start off with and
then after let’s say 12 sessions
there’s two people there sitting
side-by-side behind the desk appearing
to be the same height as the person
that they’re talking to and at the end
of the session the person leaves and
this goes on for another 12 sessions
where at the end of that 12 sessions
both people get up and one is tall and
one is short.
Karra: and that is approaching the
fear that the person has been getting
to know somebody that they don’t know
whether they're tall or short on a
one-on-one and then from there a new
person would be introduced that maybe
is a little bit shorter than the
second person so that they get used to
dealing with short people so therefore
the problem is addressed. Now it
doesn’t always work. For example let’s
take a subject that has an irrational
fear but an irrational fear that is
grounded in fact and in certain
environments is a healthy fear,
arachnophobia. Some spiders serve a
very useful function, in fact all
spiders do. However, some spiders
carry a deadly toxin and having a fear
of those spiders because spiders are
unpredictable is healthy. How would
you cure somebody of that fear? Expose
them to spiders? Could be dangerous,
not only in an emotional level or a
heart level, but in a health level as
well. Could be terminable. So fears
like that, do you address them or not?
Shane: you could teach them about
Skip: no that won’t work.
Karra: no it’s a very tricky field to
Skip: I think the best way to go with
that darling would be to educate a
person to what is and what isn’t a
Karra: yes I agree, I agree but it
still doesn’t address the fear.
Skip: no I understand that.
Karra: there is somebody I would like
to discuss this with but I don’t think
they would cooperate because their
irrational fear of spiders
goes......it's one moment it’s high
and the next moment it’s low. It’s
like Tia’s analogy on the stock
market, it fluctuates……
Karra: one moment it climbs, the next
moment it drops, it stays stable, it
climbs a little bit, it drops a lot,
it climbs a lot, it stays stable and
so on, that’s fluctuation.
Skip: the same with people’s fear.
Karra: yes and I would really like to
talk to the subject but I know for a
fact that the subject would not
cooperate because of the fear of
Karra: and I know the subject knows
it’s an irrational fear, I know that
the subject knows what spiders……..he’s
probably more well-informed about
spiders than most people on your
planet but the subject still has an
irrational fear. Okay, any more
Skip: not on that end of it.
Karra: well questions in general on
Skip: well I’m running into a reverend
is her title that’s doing a spiritual,
physical healing on me.
Karra: uh-huh, she’s the one working
on your chakras correct?
Skip: I’m sorry?
Karra: she’s one working on your
Skip: yes, yes and aura……
Skip: and evidently from what I’ve
read, the college that she went
through, she can read auras and
Skip: and she’s……I’m getting back to
being my old self.
Skip: because from what I’ve studied
and read from the lady that
established the college that she went
through, the auras and different
colors and different patterns around a
person shows what their problems
Karra: uh-huh yes.
Skip: physically, spiritually and
emotionally and she’s dealing with all
these things on me.
Skip: and it seems like I’m getting
more benefit out of this type of
healing than anything I’ve run into
Karra: yes, uh-huh.
Skip: I was just wondering, I feel
good about it, I just wonder if I’m
doing the right thing? I think I am.
Karra: well if you’re feeling good….
Karra: well there’s your answer.
Skip: yeah but sometimes you wonder…..
Karra: wondering is good.
Skip: if maybe it’s just a hype……
Skip: you know what I’m saying.
Karra: well if it’s working and making
you feel better…….
Skip: yeah it really is, I feel better
about myself which I was pretty down
on me for a long time.
Karra: well you have some very good
Skip: yes, yes I do, some excellent
Karra: okay next question?
Russ: yeah when you’re dealing with a
psychoanalyst and the patient role,
how closely should you be following up
on the karmic end of that? For example
if you’re bringing up these repressed
memories or something, you’re going to
be creating karma that’s going to
affect you, them, the people that did
it whereas otherwise if you had left
this alone, then it would’ve happened
Karra: well it’s something you need to
approach very carefully as I said,
it’s heading to a goal, an objective.
If you do bring up repressed memories
and you’ve got to remember that a
person is very susceptible to
suggestion at that point......
Karra: that you could bring up a
memory of your own by accident and
without meaning to implant it onto
them and they think it’s a repressed
memory so you have to be very, very
careful when you're doing that. But,
let us assume that you bring up a
repressed memory that is a true
repressed memory. Again you do it
gradually little by little addressing
each little aspect and nuance at a
time in one session. You bring up one
little thing and you address and look
at that and you may spend not only one
session but many sessions dealing with
that one problem, that one little
nuance. You talk it to death and you
look at it from all possible aspects.
You look at it saying, “well what
would the person be thinking if they
were doing that? Why would they do
that?” Maybe it’s not as we think it
was because after all, we see one
thing but it may be something totally
Karra: for example, you see a child
pick up a handful of dirt and throw it
at another child. Well, what caused
the child to do that?
Shane: experimentation or something
Karra: could be many different things.
Could be the fact that the child
asked, "throw dirt at me", it could be
the fact that the child saw something
in the dirt and went to grab it and
the person goes, "hey throw that
here.” Many, many different
possibilities. So you’ve got to look
at a situation from all possible
angles and by looking at them, you
talk them to death, you talk them out
of existence. What was the person
thinking, why were they thinking that,
well what else could they have been
thinking? You see?
Russ: uh-huh, okay, thank you.
Karra: next question?
Skip: that’s the theory of Dianetics.
Karra: it’s an old theory up here, old
Skip: that’s the theory of Dianetics.
Russ: catching on down here I guess.
Skip: yeah, Dianetics has for several
years, I just think that they’re
approaching it the wrong way…..
Karra: another way of wording it is
that it’s their interpretations, the
person that is analyzing it…..
Skip: there you go.
Karra: is interpreting it in their
Skip: that’s it exactly and I believe
Karra: oh it is very wrong, very wrong
that I could have any one of you down
on the couch and I could implant a
thought into your head and you would
think that it was your own thought and
I could do that without thinking,
being totally distracted. Our analysts
up here are trained with the ability
to block out their emotions, they're a
very, very odd bunch up here because
they seem very unemotional.
Skip: that’s how they seem, yeah.
Karra: yes but in actual fact……
Skip: very unemotional.
Karra: they’re very emotional people.
Skip: but they have to block it all
Karra: yes they’re very empathic, they
feel everybody’s emotions but yet they
have to block them out, you're quite
correct. Okay, last questions.
Skip: no more from me darling.
Russ: of course I’ve got one. When
you’re working like say as I am when
I’m working with my counseling with
the past life regressions…..
Russ: I’m not putting anything out to
them as far as anything that I might
add on to their experience, I’m merely
letting their guides take them through
and all I’m doing is providing the
impetus to get there but even so,
their own memories might be coming
into that play even if they’re not
like deep down memories that are
coming out and making themselves
known. For example Mr. (name has been
edited) who had the, I think it was
him, yeah who had the…….
Karra: werewolf fixation?
Russ: yeah that’s the one. Now I'm
going to have a tough time unless he’s
from just another planet believing
that he was a full-on werewolf and
going around and scarfing on people
and living with all these other
werewolves. Now it sounds like
something coming out of Dungeons &
Dragons or something like that, one of
those role-playing games and it's
forcing itself upon his
Russ: but he sees it is real. He
leaves the session going away thinking
he was a werewolf.
Karra: to him it was real.
Russ: I agree but is that a conscious
moral wise for me?
Karra: for you it was not real, for
him it was real. It was his experience
as a werewolf, whether or not it was a
past life or not is besides the point.
The fact is that it was real, it is
unlikely that it would be on your
planet if it was on a planet. It is
his subconscious interacting in a way
that it comes and dominates the
regression process. In doing so what
happens is that his creativity side
comes out and goes, “oh party time,
let’s have fun. Okay let’s play
Dungeons & Dragons.” You see?
Karra: and in that happening it
becomes very real for the subject, it
really did happen for him......
Russ: oh yeah.
Karra: but it happened for the first
time in the past life regression. That
was a past life for him because it was
a past life regression and behavioral
patterns are involved in that. The
lifestyle, the hierarchy, the mindset
are all part of......
Russ: it was very detailed.
Karra: of the lucidness of the
regression and that in itself is a key
point to looking at somebody’s life.
For him it was real, it happened, it
really did happen. You see?
Russ: uh-huh, I see.
Karra: okay, I’m also filling in a
little bit as Tia and Mark are dealing
with a problem child.
Karra: okay, catch you later.
Russ: bye love.
Shane: good luck.
Karra: thank you.