(Tia goes over a deal made
by the U.S. president at that time that allowed
China have a technology for missile guidance we
are seeing the results of today with their
developments in space travel. Along with that she
covers the nuclear ambitions that ratcheted up
afterwards.)
Tia:
hey hello, greetings welcome
Skip, Shane, Russ.
Skip: yep.
(Tia says hello and then some
in Durondedunn)
Skip: how you doing tonight?
Russ: greetings and
felicitations.
Tia: I’m doing good. Okay,
down to business, where do I
start? Hmm, where do I start?
Skip: at the beginning is
usually the best place to
start darling.
Tia: yes but I’ve got so many
beginnings.
Skip: we’ll just grab one and
give it heck.
Tia: that one will do. Okay,
nuclear testing.
Russ: that’s a good one.
Tia: uh-huh, I thought so.
Okay, why did India test
nuclear weapons? Well, it’s a
little convoluted.
Russ: well it’s not to find
out if they can test them or
not or whether they can have
them.
Tia: it’s more along the lines
of saying, “we have nuclear
weapons.”
Shane: and you don’t?
Tia: no, most of the people
around them do.
Russ: Pakistan does now.
Tia: uh-huh, now the logic
behind their action.........
Russ: what is the logic behind
their action?
Tia: well, the logic is that
they have the ability to
launch nuclear missiles. They
also have the capability to
launch…….
Skip: intercontinental?
Tia: thank you,
intercontinental ballistic
missiles, ICBM's. The ability
that they have to launch
nuclear weapons that have the
capability to hit Shanghai or
Beijing. Now, why would they
select those two as how far
they could reach.........that
they're saying that they can
reach either Beijing or
Shanghai? Now, moving to one
side a little bit to one of
their neighbors, China. China
recently got a whole load of
some technology for telemetry
tracking and being able to
launch into high orbit
supposedly to launch
satellites. China has for some
time had nuclear capability.
Where did they get this
technology from? Well, a trade
deal was struck back in ‘86 to
help them in satellite
placement after two satellites
carrying……..two rockets
carrying satellites from the
United States blew up. Now
this is very unusual that
there would be United States
satellites on a foreign
power’s rockets, especially a
hostile foreign power. Even
though that there’s been no
conflict between China and the
United States since Vietnam,
they are still perceived as
hostile and China does have a
track record. They also have a
philosophy called the long
view that one day they will
rule the world and it is
something they've been saying
for the past six, seven
hundred years since they
became aware of external
countries. So, all of a sudden
China has this ability to
launch nuclear weapons into
high orbit and to select their
own reentry points to blast
wherever. Now this technology
came from United States
agencies or from a company
that is a military contractor.
Now this military contractor
donated $300,000 to the 1992
campaign for the president,
for the Democratic candidate.
Again in ‘96 they donated
$400,000 and low and behold, a
waiver was signed saying that
they could go to China and
launch these satellites which
promptly blew up and then
another waiver was signed for
them to aid the Chinese in
this capability. In the
meantime, Indian Secret
Service gets ahold of this
information and then goes, "oh
dear" and subsequently goes
ahead and gives the
information to their
government who develops a
nuclear capability on their
own with existing technology
buying here, buying there and
so on. So now they are a
nuclear threat to China, China
is a nuclear threat to them
prior to this and it would be
difficult for China to hit
them accurately without this
telemetry tracking and reentry
capability that was given to
the Chinese by basically Bill
Clinton by signing these
waivers.
Shane: he signed them?
Tia: he signed them. There’s
got to be a presidential
executive order. In doing so,
Bill Clinton has initiated an
arms race in a very unstable
area, very unstable area.
Increasing more than at any
time in your world's nuclear
capability history in the last
50 to 60....well 50 years
increasing the danger of a
nuclear war not by 10% but by
a hundredfold. Now, Pakistan
hears about these tests
through their sources that
weren’t very well covered and
gets very worried and decides
to launch its own tests. In
the meantime, India works very
hard to develop the ability to
launch missiles to hit China
and anywhere else within a
3,000 mile radius all because
of somebody’s lust for power
and money. This nuclear race
with these countries that are
not exactly stable and have
the tendency to react
aggressively towards each
other is now a serious threat
on your planet. The chances of
nuclear war are much higher
than they’ve ever been. And a
refugee from the sixties who
protested American involvement
in Vietnam, protested nuclear
activities, is responsible by
his incomprehension as I’ve
stated in the past of foreign
international politics, total
incomprehension. Now, with
other instabilities going on
and the fact that selling of
nuclear technology and rocket
technology is very lucrative,
with instabilities in such
countries as Indonesia which
is very unstable........we
will cover Indonesia in a
moment after I’ve answered
some questions. The tenuous
problems created by the
nuclear arms race in the Third
World countries which is what
it is, is now dangerous.
Pakistan, China, India. Now,
if there was a limited nuclear
war, there would be a
catastrophic worldwide effect
because of the situation of
these three countries. On the
monsoon and jet stream
pathways that they happen to
be on could be very dangerous
and detrimental if there was a
nuclear war. I’m not saying
that there will be and I don’t
perceive that there’s going to
be, not in the near future
but, the situation in these
countries is heightened
because of this gross
negligence. Okay, questions.
Shane: me.
Tia: Shane, you had one.
Shane: yeah, Bill Clinton
signed a waiver?
Tia: uh-huh.
Shane: was that to test the
bombs on Chinese?
Tia: no, a waiver is saying
that something……
Shane: what was the waiver
for?
Tia: to sell technology or
rather to let a U.S. company
use Chinese rockets to launch
satellites that the Chinese
were incapable of launching.
Shane: hmmm.
Tia: next question?
Russ: yeah, why is the ability
to use computer simulations so
important to the Indians and
the rest of the world?
Tia: it's important because if
you go around using the real
McCoy, it's very expensive.
Russ: right.
Tia: it’s also……you can factor
in more possibilities. If you
launch a rocket on a bright,
sunny day, maybe you’re not
going to be launching it on a
bright, sunny day. Maybe it’s
going to be winds from the
West for five miles an hour,
from the east, from the South,
from the North, from the
Northeast, maybe it’s going to
be slightly overcast, maybe
it’s going to be humid, maybe
it’s going to be cold, maybe
it’s going to be hot, maybe
it’s raining, maybe it’s
snowing, who knows? But you
can factor in all these
factors into the simulations.
Russ: it seems as though that
would almost be a deterrent in
itself, being able to know
what these things can do.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: but obviously not.
Tia: no, if you can do it on
paper but you don’t have it,
so what?
Russ: hmm, Skip?
Skip: this sounds like a bunch
of little kids telling, “hey,
look at me, I can join the
club.”
Tia: yeah, pretty much so,
pretty much so.
Skip: stupid.
Tia: very stupid and all
because of one person’s
negligence, one person’s
desire for power.
Russ: okay well why is it Tom
Hayden plays such an important
role in this or do you think
I'd miss that part?
Tia: no, Tom Hayden is a very
interesting individual, very
interesting. He claims to have
allegiance to one group but
has allegiance to only one
item.
Russ: which is?
Tia: can anybody tell me?
Russ: wait a minute, he has
allegiance to the same sixties
politics that he had back in
the sixties.
Tia: claims to.
Russ: yeah?
Tia: but he doesn’t.
Russ: what is he, a special
interest kind of thing now?
Tia: no, he has an interest in
one thing and one thing
only......
Skip: money.
Shane: money.
Tia: money as most of the
people from the sixties that
are now in power. They have no
interest in human rights, they
have no interest in peace,
all's they want is money, to
look good, to leave a legacy
and the only legacy that
they’re leaving is a nuclear
arms race in an area where
it’s very unstable.
Russ: okay what is his role in
this?
Tia: his role?
Russ: did he protest? He
couldn’t of because it just
went through.
Tia: no not really, not
really.
Russ: he agreed then?
Tia: no.
Skip: he just ignored it.
Tia: he did nothing.
Skip: he just ignored it.
Tia: which is the worst crime
of all.
Skip: in other words, if you
ignore something long enough
it’ll go away.
Kiri: or bite you.
Skip: yep.
Tia: and in this case it might
just bite.
Skip: what is wrong with these
people?
Tia: uh-huh but it’s nothing
to be overly worried about.
Now, the other side of the
coin is shock, horror,
funding. Funding of
governmental agencies and a
particular governmental agency
that is supposed to be in the
know, the CIA. The CIA has had
its funding cut over the past
few years. In fact it’s had
its budget repeatedly cut
since ‘93. Shock horror, they
did not know about the test
until they happened, they did
not know that it was coming.
They were caught by surprise,
they were caught with their
underwear down. Okay,
questions.
Russ: okay first off, oh…….
Skip: go ahead, go ahead,
you're doing all right.
Russ: the jet stream you
mentioned…..
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: has the ability to come
through and affect the world.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: why is that going to
affect us, how is the jet
stream from that part of the
globe affect us? I thought
that was down South or am I
mistaken?
Tia: you’re very mistaken.
Russ: okay.
Tia: the jet stream does this
routine, it’s like a wave. Let
us say there’s a storm that
brews off of the coast of
Japan.......
Russ: okay.
Tia: right? It goes up into
the Arctic and down into the
United States. Let us say
Beijing gets hit by a nuclear
bomb, it gets nuked.....
Russ: okay.
Tia: right? Let’s say by a
small 50 megaton nuclear
missile.
Russ: alright.
Tia: okay, the way that the
jet stream goes, if China’s
here and the U.S. is here,
with the jet stream it blows
this way, it goes up into the
Arctic, it picks up moisture
and goodness knows what else,
comes down over Alaska harming
all those native Alaskans all
the way down into Washington,
Oregon, California and spreads
out that way.
Russ: okay.
(Tia says something in
Durodedunn)
Tia: okay? So it does affect
you.
Skip: so we'd get the
radiation fallout.
Tia: uh-huh, depends how big
it is and I think that if you
were to drop a 50 megaton U.S.
ICBM on Beijing, it would not
do as much damage as the one
if the Indians dropped one,
why?
Skip: because we’ve cleaned
ours up.
Tia: exactly, there’s are
dirty nuclear missiles.
Russ: what happened to Korea
and its ability to create
havoc, we haven’t heard about
them in months?
Tia: guess where the plutonium
came from.
Russ: ahhh.
Shane: plutonium?
Russ: well that does make
sense then.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: now that’s painting a
bit more clearer picture of
what’s going on with that
then.
Tia: it’s funny that nobody’s
heard about it recently,
everybody’s forgotten about
it.
Russ: well that was my other
question, how come nobody’s
heard about it lately?
Tia: it goes back to a little
bit of trade wheeling and
dealing that I just covered.
If you remember, I said that
there were things that weren't
clear.
Russ: right.
Tia: now India has nuclear
reactors obviously.
Russ: and so does Pakistan.
Tia: uh-huh, now the nuclear
reactors are monitored as a
matter of course, everybody’s
nuclear reactors are monitored
so that they can’t
take…..especially Third World
countries……they can’t take the
plutonium and uranium from
there and make nuclear
weapons. So there’s only two
sources that can give nuclear
material, the former Soviet
Union and the United States
unless of course it comes
through some other devious
route.
Russ: hmmm.
Tia: and as the former Soviet
Union has fallen to pieces,
well there’s one place. Where
do you think Pakistan gets
theirs from?
Russ: Soviet Union.
Tia: where do you think India
get some of theirs from?
Shane: Soviet Union.
Russ: but India’s been working
with nuclear power for a
couple decades haven’t they?
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: so they could’ve just
used what they had working off
just what their reactors were
turning out.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: they didn’t need any
outside help.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: hmm.
Tia: but why draw attention to
it?
Russ: but everyone's known
India’s had nuclear weapons
for years. Israel has nuclear
weapons, the Arabs have
nuclear weapons….
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: India’s had them,
nobody’s just admitted to it
is all. Now finally India’s
admitting to it.
Tia: yes.
Russ: it’s just a political
move.
Tia: uh-huh, for what purpose?
Russ: well for one thing, to
get more money.
Tia: no, to get China off
their back that now has
capability to hit them hard.
Russ: hmm, like they did
Tibet?
Tia: uh-huh, you see? It gets
very, very murky, very
difficult. Okay, let’s move
right along…..no let’s save
that for next week. Okay let’s
pick another strand, my pet
topic. Anybody know what my
pet topic is?
Russ: morals.
Tia: no, other pet topic.
Russ: hmm.
Tia: and I’ve been told to
drop that one, okay.
(Skip starts laughing)
Tia: any more questions?
Russ: uh-uh.
Skip: no.
Tia: no? Okay……….
Shane: bye.
(Tia says goodbye in
Durondedunn)
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