(Omal lays out the prime directive the base operates under which is very much like the one put forth by Gene Rodenberry in "Star Trek". It is the personal experiences all of us on the base and Earth went through with one of the rescued abductees who later died.) 

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Omal: greetings and felicitations, you rang?

Russ: greetings Omal, we did in fact.

Omal: okay, let us proceed.

Russ: this is a tale of two....what were those things up there? Suburbans, a tale of two suburbans.

(a pair of matching vehicles that parked outside during the chat the night before)

Omal: yes?

Russ: now are we being a little bit overcautious here?

Omal: I believe so.

Russ: I think they're just vacationing folks that come up on a weekend.

Omal: yes, it is suspicious as was stated at the time.

Russ: right.

Omal: but, the reaction time is a little bit too quick. However, like the power outage, it is a good test is it not?

Russ: it is. Well what interested me was the fact that we hadn't been really looking or paying attention in that direction until just all of a sudden it's like, "well wait a minute, maybe it might be a good idea to check." And then that appears.

Omal: yes.

Russ: so we don't know, we haven't been following if they've been there a lot, if they have been there just the first time or what. It's something we ought.....a lesson for us to learn that we should be more attentive to those situations around us.

Omal: I believe Mark often talks about situation awareness?

Russ: absolutely...S.A..

Omal: yes. It is something that all of you should do.

Russ: sure. And it's something that in the future could be very important, maybe not right now but it's good practice.

Omal: yes. I think Tia put it very well in, "believe nothing if you cannot corroborate it".

Russ: right.

Omal: it is better to burn your hand instead of your body.

Russ: uh-huh. Well nothing we've been doing even with the Jason Society and MJ12 going on the net, is enough to get us noticed.

(web research we had been doing at the time)

Omal: you are small fry for them at this time.

Russ: at this time.

Omal: although the small fry if it was caught would turn out to be a mighty big fish.

Russ: this is true.

Omal: but behaving in a small way makes them overlook you.

Russ: well we're not going to put any big neon signs out there anyway saying, "look, here we are".

Omal: no. If you do, I suggest doing it in red and saying, "this is the place".

Russ: I'll just paint a big target on the roof.

Omal: very droll, in neon?

Russ: in neon, yes.

Omal: okay.

Russ: all right. Johnny, you got anything?

John: not right offhand. You got anything else you want to ask?

Russ: uh-huh.

John: go ahead.

Russ: I have a few things. Okay, now last night we were working with a few different people. Some were very open towards what's being said and some weren't. Now for example, the one person I'm working with on the net called Iris in dealing with the "Zeta Talk"............

Omal: uh-huh.

Russ: has now got a bit of a different point of view on "Zeta Talk" compared to Ashtar Command.

Omal: okay what is necessary to do is to explain the difference between us as a base, a research base and the blue guys.

(the base's pilots)

Russ: so that's what Tia meant by the problem with the Grays, is not with Ashtar Command, it's with the blue guys.

Omal: correct. It is a long-running rivalry, the fact that our pilots see themselves as protectors. Wherever they go, they are to protect the race that they protect. For example your race against anybody that tries to abduct them or any race that they perceive as a threat. For example, they do not worry about the Pelladians, they are not a threat.

Russ: right.

Omal: so when our pilots perceive a threat, they analyze and watch and wait for evidence. You cannot let some ships go because there are some good and some bad.

Russ: well the argument we're currently in......or I shouldn't say argument, debate that we're currently in, is whether there are good Grays and bad Grays or all bad Grays? Now of course you know my point in this.

Omal: yes and I do understand where you are coming from.

Russ: correct but I've kind of run out of arguments at this point and I'm kind of having to just say, "well we'll work on this as we go." Ashtar Command......in fact Ashtar himself has said there are no good Grays.

Omal: Ashtar did not say that.

Russ: oh right, you said that.

Omal: correct. I am also tinted by the same view that you have.

Russ: correct so......

Omal: she is a very lovable young lady. If I was not so old and of such a different race, my heart would cry for her. (Sarah)

Russ: right.

Omal: the fact that I have seen it before and will probably see it again hardens my heart. I am sad that I do not have that much pity. I have understanding and compassion but the pity is no longer there, it has been taken out of me. That is why I am so hard on the Grays due to the fact that they have taken my pity away.

Russ: right. But is it possible we're both looking at this in a very biased opinion or do we have facts that we can back it up with?

Omal: I would not say looking at it possibly from a biased point of view, we are biased.

Russ: I agree.

Omal: but we also have the facts.

Russ: okay and that's why I need to look closer into this.

Omal: okay, cattle mutilations.

Russ: right, is that a bad thing or a necessary thing?

Omal: ummm, define necessary.

Russ: for their survival.

Omal: no, there are other ways of getting that kind of information.

Russ: okay.

Omal: you do not have to dissect and remove sexual organs from cattle.

Russ: glands, yeah that's what we've heard though so that's why I have to look at it from that point of view. All right, human abductions, are they necessary or just experiments that could be done by other......?

Omal: experiments.....other means and more effective means.

Russ: for example, if you had a hologram of a person, could you do the same experiments without having to use a real person?

Omal: yes, very much so. Even your technology can do that.

Russ: why are they so advanced yet so far behind then?

Omal: because they have reached the point now where they have said, "okay we have done enough with the computer models, let's see how it actually reacts to an environment or the environmental factors."

Russ: so that means they are maintaining surveillance of their past experiments.

Omal: correct.

Russ: so you can monitor their past experiments by where their surveillance is?

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay.

Omal: where there is a high concentration of abductions and vessels, then they are monitoring or coming back to an experiment that is currently running to check on it.

Russ: so what happens if Hades Base ships suddenly decided to break up the party?

Omal: we do not mind them monitoring experiments that are running, we do mind when they start new ones.

Russ: well I have a problem with that. If Hades Base will not stop the monitoring, then doesn't that show that they've got a go-ahead to go on with these things?

Omal: it falls into our non-interference unfortunately.

Russ: ohhh, I have troubles there I'm afraid.

Omal: yes, it is a very, very fine line between interfering and not interfering. Experiments that they have started running, we cannot interfere in those lives unless they abduct them.

Russ: right.

Omal: they can monitor, watch and learn that way but as soon as they abduct, then they are interfering and we have to interfere to stop them from interfering. Where they attempt to start new genetic programs running, again they are interfering because to start those, they have to abduct the individuals. Once they touch those individuals they have interfered and that must be stopped.

Russ: I suppose what I have a problem with is they interfered in the first place to start the experiment that they're monitoring so therefore the harm's already been done....

Omal: correct.

Russ: therefore you should be able to walk right in and....

Omal: interfere even more and make the situation possibly worse.

Russ: yeah, you're right.

Omal: as much as I personally would like to say "okay, let's get them off the planet, let's get these genetic programs that are running stopped, create a situation where it is washed out of the system and get things back to normal. I would love to do that but I cannot because that is interfering.

Russ: true.

Omal: where we come in is to stop them from interfering further. Unfortunately we are a limited number of personnel and we cannot be everywhere.

Russ: now they have a...we were talking about the base at Four Corners.

Omal: correct.

Russ: now why do they need ships to bother abducting, why can't they just take them over to the base and do all their experiments right there on the base and monitor them right on the base?

Omal: because due to the fact that a high desert area has different properties then a low desert area and a low desert area has different properties from a high alpine area and so on.

Russ: oh I see.

Omal: the more environmental factors that you throw in, the better the results are of an experiment.

Russ: do we know what the end result is that they're working for?

Omal: we have our suspicions.

Russ: okay, and could we say then that this is for the good of the human race?

Omal: that is undeterminable at this time.

Russ: okay. There is nothing we as humans can do to stop this?

Omal: no, not really. As much as one would like to think otherwise.

Russ: well yeah we would like to think otherwise. Okay, where do we go from here?

Omal: just watch and wait and try to intervene when they try to start or abduct new individuals or old individuals.

Russ: wait a minute, we can interfere. We're third dimensional beings, we have nothing that stops us from interfering right?

Omal: next question please. I am deliberately not answering that question because that is your own moral choice.

Russ: oh I know, I know, I know, you can't advise us one way or another.

Omal: correct, as much as I would love to, I cannot. By me saying what you should or should not do is interference.

Russ: it is a conundrum here.

Omal: correct.

Russ: okay understandable, I will leave that as just wishful thinking anyway.