(Kiri tells us about her experiences with meta-concerts and what she has to say is a must-read for anyone interested in being in one. Not only do we learn how many people are ideal, we get their positions and a story of her college days where she had participated in a meta-concert of hundreds of people to end the life of a corrupt coercer showing just some of the power a collection of individuals can generate when focused on a single goal.) 

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Kiri: okay now seriously…….

Skip: now, this meta-concert, you’re well-versed in this?

Kiri: well I have participated in some meta-concerts yes.

Skip: okay now we tried to put out a flame tonight….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Skip: between five of us.

Kiri: I’m not that familiar with manifesting meta-concerts, I’ve only ever participated in coercive meta-concerts and healing meta-concerts….

Skip: right.

Kiri: whereas I sit outside the meta-concert in a healing meta-concert and coerce the person into being open and receptive and helping to focus the energy internally for them to heal.

Skip: oh okay, all right.

John: how many individuals involved in that?

Kiri: in which one?

John: well just give me some figures, some numbers….

Skip: in healing meta-concerts?

Kiri: healing meta-concerts? I’ve been involved with about ten individuals.

John: in one particular meta-concert you’re talking about?

Kiri: uh-huh, one meta-concert, healing meta-concert it was about ten individuals. I think that’s the highest number I’ve been involved with. Normally healing meta-concerts are small meta-concerts involving no more than maybe six or seven people. Coercive meta-concerts on the other hand can vary from maybe a few dozen to the biggest one I’ve been in was about 350 minds linked together and that was a unpleasant thing to be involved in. It was my college and what we basically did was there was a corrupt coercer, very, very talented lady, very talented. She had picked up the scholarship award twice, not consecutively but over a three-year period, she picked it up twice. Very talented, very, very talented, very, very, very corrupt. She used people like you would use a rag to clean the floor.

Skip: oh my goodness gracious.

John: so it was a potentially dangerous situation….

Kiri: yes it was dangerous but the simple fact of what we did to her was basically we killed her, we snuffed her out because we……...

John: yes but it took a collective mind at your college to go after this very powerful individual….

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: am I correct?

Kiri: yes.

John: and it took about 150 of you?

Kiri: 350.

John: 350!

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: and collectively you removed this person like you remove a fungus.

Kiri: yeah, we basically erased her. She is I believe awaiting rebirth on the third dimension which is where she would’ve ended up anyway if we hadn’t of done what we did. We did it for the simple reason that our society will not tolerate people like that. It is worse than murder.

John: isn’t that a punishment….

Kiri: yes.

John: when someone goes from a sixth dimensional level to the third dimensional level?

Kiri: no we don’t consider it as a punishment, we consider it as they need to relearn what they’ve forgotten.

John: okay.

Kiri: it’s not a punishment, it is going back to school to relearn what you've forgotten.

Judy: excuse me........

Kiri: oh.

Judy: I'll be back.

Skip: okay darling, question, then we’re not spinning our wheels with just five of us doing this meta-concert and trying….

Kiri: no.

Skip: okay……

Kiri: no.

Skip: all right okay, I thought we was maybe getting down to a point where….

Kiri: you are at the minimum number acceptable for a meta-concert.

Skip: that’s what I was…...

Kiri: yeah, but you are not spinning your wheels.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: ideally what you would like to do is have four secondaries…..

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: two primaries…..

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: so that’s six people plus you your conductor and your executive, the executive and conductor.

Skip: so you’re talking about approximately eight to ten people.

Kiri: yeah eight to ten people is the ideal number, seven you can get away with, five is the minimum number…..actually four is the minimum number because you have a primary, secondary, conductor, executive.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: so you are just outside the very, very minimum number and a four-person meta-concert I believe works just, five meta-concert is a much better improvement than four.

Skip: okay all right, I was just kind of checking on it, because I didn’t know if we was…

Kiri: well you’ve seen how the candle reacts.

Skip: yeah, it’s reacted for us.

Kiri: uh-huh so therefore it’s working.

Skip: yeah okay.

John: okay now as far as the positioning and the rearranging and stuff…...

Kiri: you’d have to talk to Omal.

John: Omal is the one to talk to?

Kiri: yes, uh-huh.

John: about that?

Skip: uh-huh, the physical positioning of the people.

Kiri: yeah I mean Omal has much better knowledge in orchestrating meta-concerts than I’ll ever have.

Skip: okay.

Kiri: he has organized, and when I say organized, he has organized a meta-concert from the planning stages all the way through to the actual firing mode…..

Skip: okay.

Kiri: and he has done a wide variety of different meta-concerts from manifesting to PK to remote viewing which is different from astral travel to oh, all sorts of different meta-concerts.

Skip: okay thank you darling, I appreciate that, I just was kind of curious about that.

Kiri: oh no problem, no problem. Yes?

Russ: a meta-concert being a tool……

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: as we were discussing earlier with a hammer analogy….

John: yeah, go ahead.

Russ: it’s how well each of the people in the meta-concert can use the tools….

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: that determines the strength of the meta-concert.

Kiri: that’s correct, yes.

Russ: therefore if you have two people in the meta-concert who are really good and three who aren’t let’s say….

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: then it’s not going to be as effective as all five got together and worked on it…….

Kiri: that’s right.

Russ: and got all five of them up to the same level as the two.

Kiri: that’s correct but you are at the moment in the learning mode so you put the weakest people in the secondaries, you put the strongest people in the primaries and the conducting mode and the executive mode but once everybody is trained, you can experiment around and what it will do is it will increase everybody’s abilities.

Skip: oh okay.

John: but I mean I’ve already been experimenting to a certain degree and I mean the placement is very important….

Kiri: oh it most certainly is, it’s very important but at the moment the main thing to remember is that everybody must learn from the experience. It is a learning tool at the moment. I mean…….

John: isn't every moment a learning tool?

Kiri: yes.

John: whether it's a meta-concert or everyday life?

Kiri: well what I mean is with a meta-concert you’re learning how to use a meta-concert, its potentials, its effects, its side effects, its negative effects, its positive effects, there’s a lot that you can learn from a meta-concert. It doesn’t matter to start off with if it’s a success or a failure, it is becoming the team that next month, next year can go, “okay let’s get together, the room’s 32°, we're cold, let’s heat it up.”

John: uh-huh.

Kiri: so you agitate the air molecules and you increase the heat. You can’t do that at the moment but maybe in a year’s time you can do that, heat up the room. So the thing is that you’re not planning right now for every time to have a success, you’re planning to learn how to work together as a cohesive unit.

Skip: okay.

John: yep, that’s right where I am at on that.

Kiri: now each one of you is part of a internal combustion engine, whether you’re the pistons, the valves, the crankshaft, the carburetor, the exhaust ports, you all play a very, very important role in the engine of the meta-concert. And when you build an engine, first of all you test it to make sure it works properly, to make sure there’s nothing catching and that it’s nice and smooth and what you're doing is the engine is learning its pathways and that’s what you’re doing with a meta-concert.

John: I hope so.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: I just wish…

Kiri: what the goal is.

John: yeah, that’s ideally in my mind, yeah.

Kiri: so you shouldn’t feel bad about failures, in fact failures……the way to look at them is one more step closer to success. Okay so you failed one time, next time you might succeed and if not, you’re still a step closer to succeeding. You never take a step backwards.

John: how about the candle exercise that we’re using, is that a good starting exercise? That was very important to me….

Kiri: yes, it is.

John: because it was something that was…..

Kiri: tangible.

John: tangible, something we could work on.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: okay? Now other exercises would be like….

Kiri: heating water…….

John: moving a piece of lint around a white board?

Kiri: uh-huh, you'd want somebody that is definitely a PK person to be the executive for that because you're supplying him the energy.

John: right, wouldn’t Mark be quite qualified for that?

Kiri: no.

John: no?

Kiri: no, Mark has no PK or nothing worth mentioning so let’s not mention what’s not worth mentioning.

John: okay, well how about Russ in the executor's position?

Russ: my PK’s pretty weak too.

Kiri: I pee stronger in the morning than Russ' PK ability.

John: okay.

(Skip bursts out laughing)

John: how important is psychokinesis with the meta-concert, is it…..

Kiri: you’ve got to have somebody that has some, whether it is weaker than I pee in the morning……

John: does anyone in our group that has some? I mentioned Russ and I mentioned Mark okay?

Kiri: I wouldn't count on Mark's ability.

John: how about Skip, does Skip have any PK ability? I mean…..

Kiri: I don’t know, I think Skip has some but….

John: how about myself or Judy I mean?

Kiri: I was about to say you're all in the same boat here that what you do have is not very much.

John: right.