(Tia explains how the desire for something can be so all-consuming that it can be a negative. The desire can become a destructive force so she encourages to think above the level of instinct. That is what sets humans apart over animals, it's their ability to fall back on instinct when needed, not their immediate go to.) 

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(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Russ: hi Tia.

Tia: yo.

Russ: where do we go to next?

Tia: what, my dress?

(a dress she had seen on someone who was part of a visiting delegation)

Russ: yeah, yeah that’s it.

Tia: what about it? Okay, dissertation on longing because this in itself, my dress, my dream dress, the one that I want actually opens up a very good moral topic and that is desire. Desire for something that is a distraction, something that we can’t have and the want and the lusting for that object in itself can be destructive. The things that you’ve pointed out are good examples of looking at something and wanting it and pursuing it to the point of everything else becomes irrelevant. This is wrong, this is a wrongful behavior hon.

Russ: oh I know.

Tia: but it doesn’t change the matter, we will deal with that and the fact that I’m in love with the dress later on but what I’m saying is that when a thought becomes all-consuming that you want one item and will do whatever it takes, it becomes a destructive behavior. And if you do not think out all the options that can occur and by planning and working towards your objective to achieve that goal but taking into consideration all the other things that are interactive with that in itself, then you turn a negative into a positive experience on planning on how you’re going to get it, what is the right way about going to get something. Not just seeing it and going, “okay, I’m going for it”. That is wrongful behavior because you’re not thinking clearly. When you think clearly and aim for a goal, then you are thinking constructively like a good thinking person. Anything, any animal, that cat for example, the feline, if it sees a piece of meat that it wants it will go for it. Anybody can do that, see something and they go for it but if you think of how you’re going to get it without jumping over somebody, walking on somebody, whatever and how you're going to get the person that has it to give it to you, that’s where you turn a negative into a positive because you're now thinking of something that becomes beneficial for everybody involved. By thinking things through and planning on, “the time is not now, let’s wait, it’s not appropriate at this time”, that in itself is a beneficial thing. Any animal can go for something straightaway, any animal can act on its instincts, any animal can act on its hormones and chemicals but what makes a person better than an animal…..and I’m not putting animals down, I’m saying that instinctual behavior and I’m differentiating about it…..but something that is instinctual, a desire now to have it straightaway in itself can be destructive. But, by planning and scheming and using your brain, you’re working that brain out and by going about it in a way that is beneficial is great. Any questions?

Russ: well yeah, a lot of times your instincts are controlled by your body.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: again, it's the same thing with like potassium, all of a sudden you have an urge for bananas you can’t understand but, "boy that sure does look good".

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean these are urges that best are not controlled because your body often times knows better than you are what it needs to maintain itself on.

Tia: yes but when you go, "okay I need bananas, I need them right now", that is destructive because you may be doing something that is very important and that needs your whole entire attention and the thought of the bananas just pounding away at you becomes a distraction. Controlling those urges, controlling those thoughts is the important thing. Putting them to one side and say, ”okay, I will deal with that later at a more appropriate time.” Hmmm......yeah but…..oh well nevermind, I’ll put on the next person.

Russ: all right.