(Tia explains the properties of the 4th and 5th dimensions and describes the place at the bottom of the base by the gravity generators which is used for training purposes to learn how the 5th dimension operates. The trick to the 5th dimension is that there isn't a trick to the 5th dimension.) 

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Karen: okay, what's in the fourth and fifth dimension?

Tia: the fourth is time, pure time.

Karen: the fourth is time?

Tia: uh-huh. Think of all the possibilities that can happen from one event, that is time and all of them happening at the same time. Fifth is space but not space as in go out there above your planet's atmosphere. It is......how would be the best way to explain it? Omal used the analogy of having a matchbox and putting cases of wine in there. Another way to explain it would be, let us say you wanted to get to the pizza box that you put up in the kitchen right?

Karen: actually no it's laying at your feet practically.

Tia: oh it is? Okay, that's better yet. Now let us assume you wanted a piece of pizza right?

Karen: uh-huh.

Tia: you get up and you take one step.

Karen: right.

Tia: and it's just as far away as it was when you started. You take five steps and it's still just as far away as it started. You take a hundred steps and it is still just as far away as when you started. You turn around, you walk towards the door and let us say you assume that you can get to the door, you do. You open the door, you go out, you walk all way around, come back in and you step in the box as you come down the steps. Oops. But that's the way the fifth dimension works. Or, I should say it's what, about five steps away?

Karen: it's maybe about two.

Russ: two steps.

Tia: okay let us say that you're sitting there and you decide you want your piece of pizza, you get up and take one step and you're right there right?

Karen: uh-huh.

Tia: the properties of the fifth dimension are never constant. It's.....things do not appear as they are. For example, let us say that Russ wanted to get to that box right? And let us say we go through all the grief and aggravation of explaining taking steps directly towards it. Russ turns around, walks up across the ceiling, across the wall, down the other side and picks up the box.

Russ: what controls the fifth dimension or is it an uncontrolled dimension?

Tia: it's uncontrolled.

Karen: so it's unconditional space?

Tia: correct. For example, let us say you wanted to go to Mars from your planet. Normally it would take about six months to a year to travel with your current technology right?

Karen: uh-huh.

Tia: but in the fifth dimension you could never reach it or, you can hop in a Boeing 747, take off and land on it. All very confusing isn't it? So it's never constant.

Karen: right.

Tia: there's a part of the base right down at the very bottom, right against the energy generators that we use as a training tool for people that need to learn their lessons of the fifth dimension. We take them down there, we set up a table and we set up food on that table, we set a chair up about ten paces away, we switch off the field within that contained area and ask them to have dinner.

Karen: and they can't get to the table.

Tia: or they get the table straightaway and the instructions are quite clear. Every time you grab a piece of food, you must only take one item, you return back to your seat. And we usually.....

Russ: getting back to the seat might be just as much trouble as getting to the table.

Tia: there you go, you see?

Karen: in other words, you don't eat until tomorrow so class is over. Now the time is all time everywhere? Or is it.....I mean is.....I mean how confusing is is that?

Tia: all time relevant to you. For example, Mark uses the analogy of you're driving down the road right? Your car makes left turn, a right turn, keeps going, backs up, rolls over, has a flat tire, runs into somebody, stops dead, has a flat tire in the front tire, has a flat tire in the back tire and so on, you see all the possibilities?

Karen: hmmm.

Tia: the engine explodes, the car catches fire, all these things happen at the same time and if you were to look into the fourth dimension, you would see them happening all at the same time. You'd see all the possibilities.

Karen: I see..... oh, I see what you're saying.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: what I don't understand is how all these channelers can channel beings who's saying that they all exist on the fourth dimension and we're preparing us to make that transition up to the fourth dimension.

Karen: why would you want everything happening to you the same time?

Russ: and I don't see how we could live there anyway even if we could and since we can't, why are these channelers getting it all wrong? Is this consciousness intruding on the channeling?

Tia: correct. Certain amounts yes. Those that you find that explain it, that you cannot live in the fourth or the fifth are true trance channelers. The majority are conscious channelers.

Russ: who can't believe that any information coming through saying that they're going to live on the sixth could be right.

Tia: correct.

Russ: they reject it and insert their own information.

Tia: correct.

Karen: well I asked yesterday about...........because I had mentioned about the sixth dimension.

Tia: uh-huh.

Karen: and somebody came back and asked me and says, "well what about....you skipped right over the fourth and fifth."

Tia: uh-huh.

Karen: and I said, "well" I said, I'll find out about the fourth and the fifth and I'll get back to you tomorrow night."

Tia: now you have the information.

Karen: now I've got the information.

Tia: uh-huh.

Karen: so maybe they'll understand.

Tia: uh-huh. Another analogy that is useful is to tell somebody to get a box that is an inch high right?

Karen: uh-huh.

Tia: and a box that is a foot high. Hold them side-by-side and tell them which is the bigger and they will tell you the one that is a foot high.

Karen: right.

Tia: and you tell him to take the box that is a foot high, take it all the way across from one corner to another, stand it in the far corner. You stand in one corner, the box is in the furthest corner. You hold out box that is an inch high. Now, which looks bigger?

Karen: the little guy.

Tia: correct, perception you see?

Karen: this is like the leaning room in....

Russ: Knot's Berry Farm.

Karen: Knot's Berry Farm.

Tia: at where?

Karen: Knot's Berry Farm.

Russ: they had something similar set up.

Karen: it's like it's........kind of like crooked so you're walking sideways.

Russ: I never did figure out how they did that either where they have a pool table...

Karen: but you're walking sideways and you're actually standing up straight but it looks like you're walking sideways.

Tia: uh-huh.

Karen: I mean you could be looking at your....at Mark and he'd be coming to you needing a V-8.

Tia: yeah.

Karen: I mean he's just leaning to one side and you're like "wow" or the pool table that gets the ball and put the ball on the table and it goes not the way the table's leaning but in the opposite pocket.

Tia: uh-huh, it's all perception.

Russ: I never got how they did that, mirrors probably.

Tia: no, it's very, very simple. Okay you have the room leaning actually one way right? And you set the table up so it's leaning in the opposite way with more lean right? But, with the tilt, it looks as if it's flat.

Russ: hmmm.

Karen: no, the table actually was leaning.

Tia: uh-huh, the table does lean. Okay, next question. Oh well, better put on the next speaker.

Russ: okay.