(Tia explains why entities like Ashtar-Athena do not correct the concept that our next dimension for ascension is the sixth dimension. We get into a discussion on how channels can be consciously channeling which would be why the confusion over the fourth and fifth dimensions happens.) 

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Russ: when did Casey do his stuff?

Tia: Casey?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: wasn’t it in the '20s and '30s?

Russ: back when spiritualism was still going on.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: right. So in essence, we’re seeing kind of a parallel in the same time zone.

Tia: yes.

Russ: hmm, now how does this affect our changing toward a higher dimensional view? I’ve read in the latest Sedona Journal of Emergence something from Ashtar-Athena…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: being channeled through a lady….

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: talking about how the humans on Earth need to if they are going to move into a fifth dimensional Earth existence, they have to raise their auric vibrations or they will have moved on to another school.

Tia: but again it’s how things are worded and how people read into things.

Russ: yeah well I mean this fifth dimensional stuff, it’s really getting old.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: I mean people have really got that so serious that it's almost the norm now.

Tia: yes it is and it is irritating. The thing that I’ve noticed is that people, especially channelers when they have the host body, they use the medium that is easy for people to understand. For example if let’s say Kiri wanted to talk to a astral engineer right?

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: would you understand what they were talking about?

Russ: of course not.

Tia: you remember…no she didn’t talk with what’s his name, the guy that had a debate with Omal and Korton.

Russ: you mean Mike?

Tia: yes but I think that they would’ve sat there and discussed in great detail stuff that would be totally beyond you or I. Kiri would have probably got very annoyed with him very quickly.

Russ: well yeah, she doesn’t have the kind of patience that Omal has.

Tia: no or Korton.

(Tia says something in Durondedunn to a cat)

Tia: so you see that channelers use the linguistics that is necessary to get the point over. The fact that Ashtar-Athena frequently uses the fifth dimension as a explanation is because everybody knows the fourth dimension is time.

Russ: right and the fifth dimension is space.

Tia: correct but not so many people know that, that the fifth dimension is space so…..

Russ: well still, I mean how does that relate to our being able to move into it?

Tia: because it is a name, nothing more.

Russ: well it was a popular rock group back in the '60s.

Tia: what, Fifth Dimension?

Russ: yeah.

Tia: well in actual fact it’s the sixth dimension that she means but she's saying the fifth dimension because it’s easier to understand for the everyday person.

Russ: but that merely perpetuates the myth.

Tia: correct and if she was to sit down and every time she channeled and try to explain that the fifth dimension is a work space, here is how it works and that you will moving to the sixth dimension.

Russ: well it gets kinda old being the only ones who are actually pushing something like this.

Tia: no it’s not, you just be very patient and explain that the name is irrelevant and the fact that what does matter is the spiritual growth which everybody agrees on.

Russ: true.

Tia: yeah it is a popular misconception.

Russ: but I can’t understand the part where she says that people who are not in their auric fifth dimensional vibrations will not continue on this planet. They'll go on a new school and so on and so forth.

Tia: uh-huh now this channeler, this host body, was it a conscious or trance channel?

Russ: not sure, if you want, I can go check real quick.

Tia: it’s not…

(speaks some more Durondedunn to the cats in the room)

Russ: well it’s not the first time I've heard this that there will be a transcendence and there will be an ascending to a higher level…..

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: and if you’re not there, well too bad...

Tia: yeah.

Russ: you’re not going to make it. Earth is moving into its fifth dimensional unity. Now if she means the sixth dimensional unity, if we substitute sixth dimensional for fifth dimensional okay? It still doesn’t make sense.

Tia: it sounds like the host’s emotions and feelings are getting in the way, that the host is either a partial trance or a conscious channel.

Russ: well let me get you the…..hold on for a second.

Tia: okay.

Russ: okay, here it is. All right, “the consciousness grid for Earth’s entrance into the new millennium will be fully established and activated by the year 2000. Each person who wishes to enter into the fifth dimensional version of life on Earth must have a corresponding geometric patterns within their auric fields. Those that are out of alignment with these keynotes will find themselves moving into another dimensional reality and school. Since 1998 is a year of peace, people of Earth must do whatever it takes to establish a firm, collective structure to ensure global peace.”

Tia: okay, now is it a conscious or trance channeler? That is the important thing.

Russ: ahh.

Tia: that is one of the things you have to be careful of, that is something that we….

Russ: well that’s why I wanted to grab the book, I’m paraphrasing to just start at a stoplight.

Tia: what we could do with the Hades Base News is debunk a lot of this stuff but….

Russ: then it just looks like we’re just picking fights, there’s no point in it.

Tia: exactly and Omal is very cautious not to do that.

Russ: because it wastes time and energy.

Tia: that’s right but in a way yes we do do debunking.

Russ: well true.

Tia: I mean the whole entire Hale-Bopp thing, we debunked that. We weren’t or you weren’t quick enough to get it on the Internet because you didn’t see it as important….

(speaks some more Durondedunn to the cats)

Russ: well I didn’t think it important at the time.

Tia: no but it was important.

Russ: but it turned out to be very important.

Tia: uh-huh but it wouldn’t have changed anything.

Russ: no, of course not, Heaven's Gate was already set in motion.

Tia: oh yes.