(Kiri fills in some more details regarding the Sirian Chronicles including some hints at just how the coercion became so strong in one group on the planet who used it to conquer their foes. There was a great discrepancy in favor of the women over the men with the end result being a matriarchal society prior to their ascension.) 

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Russ: okay questions for you sweetheart, I actually have some for you this week, I knew you'd be here.

Kiri: well where else would I be on a Tuesday night?

Russ: that is very true.

Kiri: I know where I'd like to be and I can't say because we've got to keep it clean.

Russ: what was the living conditions like in Tonar's time?

(from the Sirian Chronicles)

Kiri: that would be Tonar the Corrupt correct?

Russ: correct yes.

Kiri: as opposed to Tonar the Evil.

Russ: how comparable is it to nowadays?

Kiri: on Hades Base.....sorry on Sirius it was very similar that having just had the ascension........no you wanted Tonar the Evil didn't you?

Russ: Tonar the Evil.

Kiri: uh-huh, not the corrupt.

Russ: this is before the exodus to earth.

Kiri: uh-huh. That would be space travel, yes that was going on, I should say it was very similar to your home planet apart from the fact of intense heat and radiation developing and a lot of dying of plants and stuff.

Russ: you mean in Tonar the Evil's time huh?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: it wasn't as bad as it got but you have to remember it was only oh I think between Tonar and Sarra there was only I think about three to 4,000 years.

Russ: hmm okay.

Kiri: uh-hum.

Russ: it's not that much.

Kiri: yeah because Sarra, she lived for a long, long time. In fact, it was rumored that she didn't die, that she went into the master pyramid and she's still there somewhere.

Russ: people make treks, religious treks kind of thing?

Kiri: uh-huh, yeah.

Russ: to see if the rumor's true?

Kiri: uh-huh and it's kind of perpetuated by the religious order that protects it.

Russ: now who was Luntar? Was that another brother that was mentioned with the father and two brothers of Tonar?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: he was one of the brothers.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: so the daughters of Luntar, or the children of Luntar who formed the order of truth, light and wisdom or servants of truth, light and wisdom.

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: that was Luntar. Why do they call themselves the children of Luntar? Because they were actually his children or descendants of his children or something?

Kiri: he was the father of them in several different ways. There was his I believe wife and then her daughters. Because she was only capable supposedly of giving daughters.

Russ: oh okay.

Kiri: and he was also the father of his grandchildren and his great-grandchildren literally which at the time was frowned upon.

Russ: of course.

Kiri: I mean the whole entire hierarchy back then was very corrupt, very flamboyant, very and I'm looking for the word and I can't think of it.

Russ: now Tonar had some inherent psychic abilities right?

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: coercion?

Kiri: coercion being one.

Russ: right, that means that it ran in the family.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: does that mean that because Luntar had incestuous relationships with his grand kids that....

Kiri: and great grand kids.

Russ: great grand kids, that perhaps that a recessive gene became...

Kiri: reinforced, yes.

Russ: reinforced and stronger and stronger which brought about the mind powers that....

Kiri: uh-huh. You have to remember that daughters of Tonar were a little bit corrupt and twisted themselves.

Russ: right.

Kiri: I mean they did some according to records some pretty nasty breeding programs. After the third or fourth generation, they would manipulate genes that there'd only be daughters born. They manipulated genes so that for a guy it would've been paradise because a coercer sleeping with as many women that were coercers as possible and it was like being at stud. You'd enjoy that wouldn't you?

John: I think I could handle that, sure.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: kind of like having a harem?

Kiri: yeah apart from it was forced upon them.

Russ: you'd be the harem girl.

John: what?

Russ: for that right?

Kiri: yeah, you're the harem girl, you're the one that gets passed around.

John: yeah I missed something here.

Russ: in other words you wouldn't have all these women that you would....that would come and service you, you'd be going to service all of them.

John: right okay. Right okay yeah.

Russ: that's how that would work. It'd still be kind of fun.

John: yeah oh geeze.

Kiri: yeah it would be actually, I'd enjoy that, I would have enjoyed it tremendously. But they were a very corrupt and twisted......I mean the pictures I've seen of all the women, they are fabulously beautiful even by our standards. But the recordings, they don't seem particularly smart.

Russ: hmm, how about the servants of truth, light and wisdom, the girls of Luntar?

Kiri: that's who I'm referring to.

Russ: oh, I see. So the daughters of Tonar....

Kiri: oh sorry yes, you're correct.

Russ: thank you.

Kiri: you're correct.

Russ: I got confused there for a sec.

Kiri: yeah you see, I got myself confused.

Russ: okay so the servants of truth, light and wisdom are the daughters of Luntar.

Kiri: not exactly, they took that name.

Russ: okay. It's just an honorary.....

Kiri: yeah.

Russ: okay now going on to other subjects real quick....

Kiri: because Luntar wasn't...

Russ: wasn't what?

Kiri: wasn't as white and as pure as the history, the common history is painted as.

Russ: oh well that's just a myth.

Kiri: in fact he was probably almost as bad as his brother.

Russ: yeah well his brother killed him so..

Kiri: yeah. It was probably either he killed him or he would have killed his brother.

Russ: hard times.

Kiri: uh-huh.