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(Kiri goes over various corrupt coercers in the history of Sirius and relates the story of Hurrah the Brave who originally did great harm to the land until his conscious got the better of him. He reformed himself and went about undoing all the harm he had done and in the end helped the planet in ways still felt today.) 

Kiri: okay, any more questions?

Russ: no, that’s all I’ve got for right now, I'll have to think about this.

Kiri: hmm, how long did that take? That took up quite a bit didn’t it?

Russ: not that long.

Kiri: well we started that…..

Russ: about 15 minutes?

Kiri: uh-huh, yeah but it is basic behavioral patterns that are important within coercion. You see, coercion through the ages has been used and abused.

Russ: right.

Kiri: on our home planet, Tonar the Corrupt, powerful coercer. Good example, great example. Tonar the Magnificent, also a corrupt coercer, that was after the ascension (from the Sirian Chronicles podcast). Hurrah the Brave, another corrupt coercer although he did try to redeem himself, that is why he's called Hurrah the Brave because he did great harm in his youth but he started to understand the moral dilemmas that he had created and the necessary plans and actions. Actually he's a good example of what was thought of as negative coercion to start with turning out to be good in the long run.

Russ: uh-hmm. Yeah but where is Honar the Brave here?

Kiri: Hurrah…..

Russ: oh sorry.

Kiri: he’s been dead for quite a few thousand years.

Russ: I mean that he could be reborn and reborn and reborn.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: he must’ve achieved some sort of enlightenment from his turn of ways and he might be on someone’s Council now for all we know.

Kiri: that is something that we would not concern ourselves with because what he had done in the past he had learned from.

Russ: correct but that’s what I mean, he went through the necessary lessons so…..

Kiri: yes but at the time what he did was that he had people constructing and cutting down and clear cutting an area. Did great harm to the land and he had an industrial complex and all the yucky pollution that goes with that but, from the research facilities and the things that were related to that came out with good things that were able to clear up the area that he had destroyed and replant it and return it to back to how it was. He had done great harm in his first 500 years and when he realized that he was heading on a very negative path and all these people that were in his control that did his bidding that had no thought of anything else but to appease their master, he started to change and to realize that he had to redeem himself by doing things and restoring the balance. What it had took him over 450 years to do, he restored it in 200 and restored the balance and also the technological advances that came from his corrupt period in agriculture, horticulture, all the necessary interactions with that from that period in his life in the long-run became good. You see they had to or he had to go through those steps to achieve where he was going so it was looked upon to start off with that he was doing great harm but, when he decided to change radically and to advance towards a specific goal that would be good, he had to make some very hard and dangerous choices which made him look very brave.

Russ: hmm.

Kiri: hence the name that he got in the last 350 years of his life, he didn’t live to be 900 because of how hard he pushed himself in the last 350 years. He pushed himself very hard and his actions were looked upon as very brave and long-reaching….

Russ: ahhh.

Kiri: and by taking those gambles and putting in action a whole load of events that are still even felt today. The love for the land in that area is beyond belief.

Russ: I see, well thank you, that makes a lot more sense.

Kiri: uh-huh, any more questions?

Russ: uh-uh.

Kiri: you got questions but you just want to get me out don’t you?

Russ: well I am a little concerned about time.

Kiri: oh okay.

Russ: come back later if you want dear.

Kiri: we’ll see.