(Tia gives an
extremely long and detailed explanation of the
secret government and how it works. She confirms
how elections are influenced by the secret
government and she confirms how all of it is
important for our next evolutionary advancement.)
Tia:
so who is electing the
president?
Russ: the secret government.
Tia: no, well yes but who is
being......doing the footwork?
Russ: yeah but who controls
the media? That’s the question
to be asked.
Tia: uh-huh. Well the media is
one of these entities that
controls itself and does what
it feels it wants to. But the
thing is that the people are
being manipulated by the
popular press. They’re the
ones….
Russ: yeah but you just said
they're independent.
Tia: yeah they’re independent,
they are electing the
president. Not you the people,
not the secret
government……well the secret
government is, it’s just that
they happen to have two very
close agendas. The secret
government and the press have
a very close agenda. Okay
now…….
Russ: well let’s look at this
real quick.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: okay if you’re in the
media.....
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: okay let’s say you’re
Robert Murdoch okay or better
yet……
Tia: Rupert Murdoch.
Russ: Rupert, better yet,
let’s take Turner.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: okay?
Tia: Frankie Turner.
Russ: now, he owns CNN.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: one of the world’s most
looked to sources for news
okay?
Tia: uh-huh and the most
liberalist.
Russ: all right, well let’s
say okay, now you’re assuming
then that Turner is
independent.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: okay, now if that’s the
case and you’re the secret
government, then how do you
influence someone like Turner
to report news you want him to
report?
Tia: you don’t have to, he is
like Kennedy, an elitist
right?
Russ: right.
Tia: and it just so happens
that the elite establishment
is what secret government
wants right?
Russ: right.
Tia: so, you feed them
information, they go on their
sweet way right? They don’t
realize that they’re being
manipulated, they’re not that
smart.
Russ: well then how come the
Republicans got elected then,
what was the agenda there? You
know Reagan, Bush years?
Tia: Reagan, Bush years?
Russ: yeah, that wasn’t an
elitist government by a long
shot, it was a conservative
government for 12 years.
Tia: yes, when it comes to
Republicans right? They like a
nice strong army right? They
like a lot of free enterprise
which also helps the secret
government because they get
more money for their budgets
and stuff.
Russ: hmm.
Tia: you see?
Russ: so why change to a
Democratic then?
Tia: because with a Democrat
society right? With a Democrat
leader, you can get away with
more. With one you get the
money right? Let’s say next
time, next election they need
more money right?
Russ: right.
Tia: because the Democrats
have cut their budget right?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: so what you do? You need
more money? You need to get it
from the government, what you
do?
Russ: be a Republican.
Tia: that’s right.
Russ: but, what I have to
worry about though is if we
have a two-year window here
before everything starts
happening, then why is the
secret government getting
ready to start that? Doesn’t
it seem like that would be
going against their aims or
are they even in control of
that?
Tia: I think it’s something
that has got beyond their
control or it is possible that
it is exactly what they are
planning for, chaos and
mayhem.
Russ: well that’s two separate
opposites.
Tia: yeah but chaos and mayhem
right?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: would benefit them
tremendously correct?
Russ: hmmm, it seems they
would lose their power base.
Tia: no, they would gain more
power because they would be
able to manipulate various
groups and individuals against
each other right?
Russ: yeah.
Tia: and infiltrate into those
groups so therefore they would
have much more of a
controlling opportunity. Now
if you go the other way right?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: where they are free to do
their own thing, again they
get more control. You see
they’re on a win-win situation
except if you come with a
third possibility. Right is
that the people get pissed off
right? And just destroy the
government.
Russ: right.
Tia: therefore they’re out of
business but the people won’t
do that. You see the people
like the Democrats at the
moment because it’s got to the
point where it is no longer
ask what you can do for
your……..no longer ask your
country what it can do for you
but you can do for your
country. It’s now become ask
what your country can do for
you.
Russ: hmm.
Tia: do you know that if I
lived down there right? With
my children, my children would
pay 80% of their money into
taxes by the time that they
retire. 80% of the money that
they earn will be taken away
in taxes.
Russ: but those taxes are
returned to them in various
ways though.
Tia: name one.
Russ: police force.
Tia: name another.
Russ: fire department.
Tia: name another, don’t think
locally.
Russ: okay, Medicaid,
Medicare.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: Social Security.
Tia: no, no. Do you know that
60% of your current money that
you pay in taxes to Social
Security is not going into
your retirement fund? It’s
paying those people that are
already retired. You’re only
going to get 40% back if that.
Russ: well we’re not be around
to see that anyway.
Tia: that’s beside the point,
what about those people that
will be?
Russ: they won’t be, they’re
getting it now and after that
it’s not going to matter one
way or another.
Tia: because there won’t be
any welfare.
Russ: right.
Tia: okay now, why is it that
your press reports the
Republican plan on the welfare
reform as cuts when nothing
was cut?
Russ: it makes it easier for
the person to understand.
Tia: but that’s a total lie,
that is a total lie, nothing
was cut.
Russ: right, we've discussed
this.
Tia: yeah but I’m saying that
I’m having a hard time
understanding your society. I
think the felines need to go
out, I’ll pause the tape.
Russ: just hit that red button
again.
Tia: this one?
Russ: yeah.
Tia: okay.
Russ: okay, now let me ask you
a question Tia.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: all right, what does it
do to discuss what will happen
and why is it happening and
putting stuff down when in
fact we know that what is to
happen is to help us make the
next evolutionary advancement?
Therefore anything that is
happening good or bad is all
good, it’s perfect for the
future.
Tia: okay, you know what’s
going on, I know what’s going
on.
Russ: correct.
Tia: Mark knows what’s going
on and a few individuals know
what’s going on right?
Russ: right.
Tia: what about those that
don’t? Say for example let me
think……somebody from the chat
room right?
Russ: okay.
Tia: they go to your page
right?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: and they find out what’s
going on. How does it relate
to them in their third
dimensional mindset?
Russ: it makes them prepare.
Tia: that’s right. So by going
over it and explaining it
again and again right? Of what
is possibly going to happen,
then they are prepared but
they cannot prepare themselves
in a spiritual way so we have
to nudge them into doing
things that will prepare them
in a different way. By looking
at it and saying, “okay, Bob
Dole did this, Bill Clinton
did this, Bob Dole did this,
Bill Clinton did that." You
see, it gives them the options
and the facts of what is
really going on. Not what the
press and the secret
government wants them to
think, but what really is.
(Tia says something to a cat
in the room in Duronedunn)
Russ: but now we’re not going
at this from a spiritual point
of view either.
Tia: uh-hmm.
Russ: why not?
Tia: for the simple reason
that you have to look at
different spiritual
organizations right? And you
have to come up with a neutral
ground. A neutral ground is
very important.
Russ: okay, now back to my
original question.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: even those people who
don’t have the preparedness,
let’s say they’ve never seen
our webpage, they don’t have
any clue of what’s going on
which is a vast majority of
the people on the planet,
don’t they at some point
become aware and learn the
same things we’re going to
learn?
Tia: yes eventually,
eventually but in the meantime
you have to explain it to them
in a different way where they
will understand it. You see
it’s not just a thousand
people that have been to your
webpage right?
Russ: right.
Tia: it is a thousand people
that have been there plus the
people they have told. They
may have told two, three
people so it’s no longer a
thousand, you’re talking 4,000
and maybe that 4,000 has
talked to another thousand so
that’s 5,000 people that do
not have access but are aware.
So you have to lay it out in
such a way that it is plain,
no reference of spirituality
right?
Russ: right.
Tia: so that they can
understand it and process it
and go, “huh”. You see what
I’m saying?
Russ: right and all I can see
is that everything that is
going to happen is supposed to
happen.
Tia: yeah, we’ve covered that
and we've explained that but
we’re helping them to look at
the options, to give them
a.....…they're at a junction
right?
Russ: uh-huh.
Tia: which road do they take?
Let’s say the palm of Mark’s
hand here is the main road
right?
Russ: right.
Tia: and these are all the
alternate roads right?
Russ: five fingers.
Tia: yeah. Okay, only one of
these roads leads in the right
way, we’ve got to point them
without interfering to the one
that leads down the right
road.
Russ: correct.
Tia: so we have to word it so
they’ll understand it and make
them think and increase their
chances of picking the right
road. If they don’t pick the
right road, it’s going to be
longer for them. You see,
we’re caught in a very unique
position that we have to
choose whether or not we
interfere totally by saying,
“no, you’re going in the wrong
direction, this is what you
have to do.” Or by staying out
and supplying information but
having the information
pointing in the direction that
they need to go.
Russ: but at the same time a
person out of those five
fingers let’s say is shown the
right path.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: saying, "these other
four aren’t going to work."
Okay? “This middle path here
that you pick or that is there
open to you is the right
path.”
Tia: yeah.
Russ: which would be in your
case the interference you’re
talking about.
Tia: that’s right.
Russ: okay, now the person has
a choice at that point to
follow that path......
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: or not. They also have a
choice on whether following
that path, they stay on the
path or whether they diverge
off of it.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: odds of them actually
going along with your
suggestion and following that
path to its very end without
divergence is small in the
first place.
Tia: but it’s a chance we have
to take.
Russ: correct so the
interference that you talk
about is actually really only
guidance and a person has the
free will to decide whether
they wish to choose to be
guided or whether they want to
do it on their own.
Tia: yes and no, yes and no.
The yes part is, yes they do
have free will but if you
stack the information in such
a way right? It takes away
that free will. For example,
getting back to your
newspapers and your
communication devices right?
Russ: right.
Tia: they want Bill Clinton.
Russ: correct.
Tia: they report only 25% of
what Mr. Dole actually says
and of that 25% that they
report they take all the
negative.
Russ: okay.
Tia: okay, which does what?
Russ: well it puts a
distinctly negative slant on
things.
Tia: exactly. Anything
possibly negative they report
and set up in a way that would
point people in a direction to
vote for Clinton.
Russ: okay but at the same
time……..all right, I’ve
watched C-SPAN where there is
no bias involved, it’s merely
a camera set up for a Dole
speech.......
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: and I’ve watched
numerous Dole speeches and my
impression as is the
impression of everyone who’s
not just getting soundbites
but who is actually watching
his speeches and the
debates.......
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: see Dole as not very
secure, not a very good
speaker, not a very good
politician as far as
campaigning wise. He looks
like he’s nervous, he looks
like he can’t complete the
sentence without stuttering at
some point in it and he just
doesn’t look as sharp as Mr.
Clinton does.
Tia: he’s not polished on your
communication devices.
Russ: correct.
Tia: but that means absolutely
nothing when it comes to
actual politics.
Russ: well the same thing that
happened to the debate is
happening with the voters,
they don’t see a positive
image being impressed out by
the Republicans.
Tia: yeah but the thing is
that Dole has a lot more
political experience than
Clinton will ever have. He
knows how to make things
happen, he has around him some
very good individuals right?
That have been painted
absolutely horribly by the
press. They are running in
fear that these people will be
elected because if they are
elected, their good times are
over.
Russ: hmm.
Tia: with this current
administration, your
government has actually
stepped backwards. It’s not
going forward, it’s not
preparing for the next
century. There's all this
Internet access for every
school child, condoms for
everybody but the morals are
going. The morals are what
would keep the country on its
path to prosperity and be able
to handle the upcoming events.
With the lack of morals right?
The fact that it’s become
immoral for a six-year-old
child to kiss another
six-year-old child or for a
teenager to bring headache
tablets to school, drug policy
you see or to bring a steak
knife to cut up chicken or one
of many things. No longer can
the children read the books
that they learn from, the
books have to be politically
correct, the books have to be
censored, the books have to
be……all these things you
haven’t looked into right,
what's going on in the
schools?
Russ: uh-hmm.
Tia: because you don’t have
children. I have, I’ve looked
into them. I wouldn’t want my
children going to any of your
schools. They’ve taken away
the punishment methods to stop
wrongdoing. You know a child
gets into more trouble for
bringing aspirin to school
than a child bringing a
firearm to school.
Russ: that’s a little bit
extreme, no they don’t.
Tia: oh yes they do.
Russ: she’s got suspended.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: you bring a firearm to
school, you get arrested.
Tia: no, a child actually did
do that, brought the firearm
to school, they had a search
right? The child was
suspended. It was repealed by
the courts because it was an
illegal search. That child got
nothing, suspended for a day
that brought the firearm to
their school because it was an
illegal search.
Russ: yeah but look at the
reputation the kid’s going to
get from this point on. I mean
he’s got to live with that for
the rest of his school term
but that’s irrelevant to what
were actually talking about.
Tia: no, it is what is
happening to the rest of your
society.
Russ: yes but it’s only
temporary due to the fact that
the changes we’re talking
about will take place in two
years whether or not……
Tia: Russ, the changes that
are going to happen, are going
to be real nasty and these
things that are happening now
are a prime example of what is
going to happen. The sheer
idiotic differences in a child
bringing aspirin and a child
bringing a handgun, one get
suspended, the other one gets
no trouble whatsoever.
Russ: but Tia, we talk about
this every week okay? But the
point of fact is that we
are……there is nothing that’s
going to change from what is
going to happen now than what
is different from what you are
talking about. In two weeks
the same president is going to
be reelected.
Tia: uh-huh.
Russ: okay? Everything that
we’re talking about doesn’t
matter due to the fact that……
Tia: it does matter, it does
matter. That is the reason why
things are going the way that
they are, the words that you
just said explain a lot. It
doesn’t matter, it does
matter.
Russ: why? Because we can
change it?
Tia: yes.
Russ: how?
Tia: by getting people
motivated, getting people
prepared. That’s what we’re
trying to do with the webpage
is to get them prepared.
Russ: which is what we’re
doing.
Tia: uh-huh.
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