(Kiri debates the concept of perfection and if there is such a thing as mistakes. We go to the Sirian concept of the question to get the higher dimensional perspective except for the fact they do not have mistake in their vocabulary.) 

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Kiri: now Russ and myself were having an interesting debate on the wording of a question and the question was, there is no such thing as positive or negative, only the perfect solution or the perfect situation. Everything is perfect, correct?

Russ: that is the essence of the question, yes.

Kiri: uh-huh. Now the problem was in the wording. Okay first of all Russ hush okay….

Russ: I'll say nothing. 

Kiri: is the world perfect or is there positive and negative?

Skip: there’s positive and negative.

Laura: it’s perfect. 

Kiri: okay.

Skip: there is no perfect.

Kiri: okay.
 
Laura: it’s perfect in the way it's supposed to be now.

Kiri: uh-huh but is there positive or negative?

Laura: depends on how you look at it.

Skip: it’s both.

Laura: depends on from which perspective you look at a thing. It can be negative, it can be positive, it can be both.

Kiri: uh-huh good, good, good, good. Skip and your answer was?

Skip: what?

Kiri: to the question.

Skip: it’s both.

Kiri: it’s both, positive and negative.

Skip: right.

Kiri: you can’t have one without the other.

Skip: that’s correct.

Kiri: okay it’s a matter of semantics and everything. Now, the discussion was and Russ will fill everybody in…..

Russ: uh-hmm....ahhh, that the fact that even though we express something as positive, or express something as negative, it's still a perfect whatever it is.

Laura: yeah.

Russ: so therefore you can’t really have positive or negative, it's just terms you use to describe the emotions involved with your perception of the event.....

Laura: yeah.

Russ: but it’s not really positive or negative, they’re really just terms that we have to use to understand each other when we talk about something.

Laura: how, like this. Yeah.

Russ: I can’t say, “oh that bus crash that killed 30 people was perfect.” People would be well, pissed off at me at that point.

Kiri: uh-huh. So by being forced to interact in other people’s worlds Russ, you have to use the terminology that they use.

Russ: correct, yeah otherwise you get ostracized.

Laura: uh-huh.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: but now we were discussing a concept. What was it, a Sirian concept?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: a Sirian concept whereby we look at the past, years, centuries, worlds that we’ve inhabited and lives that we’ve lived to bring us to this very point.........

Laura: yeah.

Russ: and had anything changed one minutia........

Laura: we wouldn’t be there.

Russ: we wouldn’t be here doing what we’re doing where we're at right now.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: therefore everything that’s lead up to this…..

Laura: is perfect.

Russ: is perfect but we can’t use the term perfect.

Laura: well…..

Kiri: because it’s not.

Laura: depends on which definition you give perfect, whether you can use it or not.

Russ: well is there a difference between perfect and perfect?

Laura: could be.

Russ: okay well let’s hear it, that is what we’re trying to get to.

Laura: that’s the positive and negative again with the perfect because the positive….

Russ: so there’s a positive perfect and a negative perfect?

Laura: okay perfect for one could mean there is no mistakes and one could see there has been mistakes but for the other, it could mean it had to lead through those things to come to that perfect state and it’s always been perfect because those were all elements we needed.

Russ: yeah but when you use the term mistake, it’s a negative connotation.

Laura: that’s why it comes back to positive and negative again.

Russ: which doesn’t really get into what we were discussing because the fact that you're even saying it’s a mistake is saying it’s not perfect.

Kiri: exactly.

Laura: okay.

Kiri: exactly.

Russ: so that is where we come into the concept that Sirius has concerning how everything leads up to here.

Laura: perfect timing.

Russ: but we don’t have a word for it.

Kiri: okay, the concept is that there is positive and negative. There are mistakes, things are flawed but the reason that they're flawed is so that if they weren’t flawed, then you would not learn the lessons. If everything happened as they are supposed to and there is no lessons to learn, then there is no progression and with no progression there is no advancement and with no advancement there is no evolution. So the mistakes are there designed in such a way that they’re a random factor for you to learn from that you can have many different outcomes. Now if you take into consideration timelines as well on top of this, every possible action that you can make happens and you go on this timeline and then you deviate to a new timeline, to a another timeline with each mistake that you make and each possible outcome that you go through. But you’ve got to remember that there are a myriad of possible outcomes for each problem so therefore with each problem, there is a different answer or many different answers. So therefore you’re just on this timeline and your timeline may change and deviate and you may continue as a group on that timeline but an aspect of you goes down another timeline with each possible myriad of outcomes. So therefore the mistakes that are made, are made in a way so that you have future learning lessons.

Russ: all right now on that point, what is the Sirian word for mistake?

Kiri: we don’t have one.

Russ: I didn’t think so. So let’s say…..

Laura: mistakes can be part of perfection because mistake we are labeling as negative but it doesn’t have to be.

Russ: well no actually, mistake could be described as a crossroads.

Kiri: I think the nearest we have is an error.

Russ: error, okay. Or not a crossroads so much because crosswords say that two things cross.

Kiri: crossroads.

Russ: what we’re talking about is a….

Skip: Y in the road.

Russ: a Y in the road okay? So each Y splits into infinite number of directions from the single path that you’re at.

Laura: uh-huh.

Russ: so therefore each mistake as we'll call it for our terminology to understand, is actually just a Y.

Skip: refuse to make a decision.

Kiri: I’ve got a little example. Okay, all three of you are not allowed to say the exact same outcome as everybody else.

Russ: okay well before you do that, I’m going to turn the heat up a little bit while you guys work on you two. I'll be right back in a second.

Kiri: okay well we’ve got to have Russ present for this as well.

Skip: okay all right.

Kiri: okay?

Skip: give him a second, he’s going to turn up the heater just a little bit.

Russ: alright, hit me.

Kiri: okay, we’ll start off with Laura.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: okay, see this microphone? Okay I’m going to knock it over, which side’s it's going to fall on?

Laura: the left.

Kiri: okay, Russ?

Russ: depends on which way you knock it.

Kiri: well I’m going to do it blind.

Russ: right, so it depends on which way you knock it.

Kiri: which way is it going to fall?

Russ: it all depends on the way you knock it.

Kiri: no, I need the direction. Don’t be so hard-headed, give me a direction it's going to fall. 

Russ: well it has to be different from her.

Kiri: well you’ve got to be different.

Russ: all right, it will fall toward me.

Kiri: okay, Skip?

Skip: it's going to fall towards you.

(Kiri knocks the microphone over)

Kiri: okay, actually it fell more that way so it’s between the two of you which is a different outcome than what all of you said. Okay, that is an example of a path breaking. Now if we had 20 people in the room and each one followed the rules exactly and said which direction it would go in right? We would have 20 different answers and there was a possibility that it would go in the 21st direction or the 22nd or if we had 100 people.

Skip: it still could go a different direction.

Kiri: correct and that is the best way to describe the possible outcome. Okay, now we can do the experiment again right? And we’ll start off with Skip this time. You’re not in the experiment cat. Which way is it going to fall?

Skip: toward the weight machine.

Kiri: okay, Laura?

Laura: to the front.

Kiri: Russ?

Russ: toward Laura this time.

Kiri: sorry?

Russ: toward Laura this time.

Kiri: okay, let me get a focus on it. 

(Kiri knocks over the microphone again)

Kiri: and I tapped it down this time for a reason. Okay, but again, that is an example of all the possible outcomes. So the possible outcomes are each different then what we perceive. There are so many different outcomes that to say that there is one outcome and it’s perfect, it’s perfect for you in your world, perfect for you in your world and perfect for you in your world. Don’t know about you though but, the possible outcomes all depend on the individual's perceptions. Now the mistakes that are made, mistakes that are made are there for a reason. They are an error in judgment, they are an error in calculations but, they’re designed in such a way that the possible outcomes are so many that there is a correct answer and on the correct answer depends on the timeline that you’re in. If you’re in a timeline of a particular kind, the answer that you come up with and the error is the correct one regardless of what timeline your on. But, without the mistake or the imperfection, then there would be no learning lesson. So a learning lesson comes from an error you see?

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: so the imperfection creates the error which gives the lesson.

Russ: now here’s a question for you.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: now the four of us…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: not including Mark because he’s not here, are all on this particular timeline even the cat…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: we're all experiencing the same perception, the same time that we all agree upon.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: now one of us makes an error.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay? I drop my hat and it goes that way.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: okay, now we all perceived it as that but let’s say it's such an error, the fact that now I split off on this timeline.......

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: while you guys of course go with me but an aspect of you guys all go on another one with me on another aspect.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: so therefore, there is now eight of us going off two different directions.

Kiri: no.

Russ: which is actually……I know, I should say infinite numbers of us all going off in infinite directions of us.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: just for simplifying the fact.

Kiri: uh-huh, correct.

Russ: okay, so now we’ve all cut off and we’re all perfect in our perception for my timeline which made the error which you guys all followed me on.

Kiri: correct.

Russ: (laughs) suckers...anyway......

(laughs all around)

Kiri: but you see the thing is, that the imperfection has created a new timeline.

Russ: right.

Kiri: and has created a learning lesson. This time Russ, pick up your hat.........

Russ: yeah okay.

Kiri: okay, and we’re each going to get two choices.

Russ: oh okay.

Kiri: okay what I want you to do is to throw it straight up and we’re going to not say which way it’s going to go, we’re going to say where it’s going to land. Okay, Laura?

Russ: two choices huh?

Laura: two choices.

Kiri: two choices.

Laura: I really don’t know.

Kiri: is there a piece of paper?

Russ: yeah right here.

Kiri: rip it into six pieces because I’m going to participate.

Russ: oh are you now?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: all right, six pieces.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: let’s do it with this one then. One, two, three, four, five, six. Okay, we’re at six.

Kiri: okay hand two to Laura.

Russ: Laura, you get two.

Kiri: give Skip two.

Russ: Skip, here’s two. I got a pen.

Kiri: I get two.

Russ: I get two.

Laura: and we have to place them where we think it’s going to fall.

Kiri: correct. Okay?

Russ: oh, you do it, well got it…..okay.

Laura: from where are you going to throw it?

Russ: straight up.

Laura: okay.

Kiri: okay close your eyes.

Russ: okay, they’re closed.

Kiri: okay, up.

(throws the hat up)

Russ: damn.

Kiri: ohhh.

Russ: well, Laura’s right on the money.

Kiri: right on the money.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: dead on.

Kiri: possible outcomes though. Laura happens to be correct but an aspect of the hat has landed on all of them.

Laura: huh?

Kiri: and all over the floor.

Russ: (laughs)
 
Laura: explain that.

Kiri: okay, with all the possible outcomes, we’ve put down just six outcomes…….

Laura: uh-huh.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: on the floor but if you look at the possible outcomes of all possible outcomes it could’ve landed anywhere.

Laura: yeah.

Skip: that’s correct.

Kiri: okay? So therefore the six represents all of the outcomes and in all of the outcomes and all the possibilities, every one a hat has landed on. So, in another situation right? The hat has landed on the other one of yours, both of yours and both of mine.

Russ: and the myriad of other places it landed.

Laura: exactly. So therefore, the example of the possible outcomes is that everything's happened,everything that you can think of has happened, even the fact of putting them on the ceiling. For some reason, the hat gets stuck on the ceiling, the laws of gravity get suspended. I can arrange that very easily.

Russ: okay......tell us......

Kiri: in fact that’s an interesting little joke that’s….

Russ: okay, here’s a question for you then. What happens to……we never I assume run out of space for these infinite possibilities to land but how does reality encompass all of these possibilities happening all the time to everybody in infinite directions?

Laura: sounds like forth dimension.

Kiri: not quite, forth dimension is time.

Russ: try fifth dimension.

Kiri: it is part of the fourth dimension, all the possible outcomes. If you were to travel in time and to look at time as you're traveling, you see will see all possible outcomes happening simultaneously.

Laura: oh.

Kiri: but the experiment is that we could do it again and not move any of them……pick up the hat again.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: all right, sit back, close your eyes okay……..go. 

(throws the hat again)

Kiri: landed on mine that time.

Laura: it didn’t hit the ceiling either.

Russ: I wasn’t trying.

Kiri: but that was part of the equation, that it wasn’t thrown as high as it should be. Again, one more time.

(throws it again)

Russ: oh.

Kiri: it didn’t land on any of them that time.

Skip: uh-huh.

Kiri: you see? But that’s all the possible outcomes. You can do that a 100 times and it will not land in the exact same place. You could do it a 1,000 times and it would not land in the exact same place.

Russ: or exact same way.

Laura: yeah.

Kiri: you could do it a million times or a billion times or a trillion times or a gazillion times or however many times that you want and it will not happen the exact same way every time.

Russ: so that’s why life is perfect?

Kiri: because of all those possible outcomes but, it is not perfect because the mistakes have to be made in order for the lessons to occur. Now when the lessons occur, you have all the possible outcomes.

Laura: so the mistakes are really not mistakes?

Kiri: they’re random acts that are designed to happen in such a way that one event follows another.

Russ: so in essence, mistakes are a grammatical term that we use yet we only use that in a way that we use it to explain it. They’re not mistakes..........

Laura: yeah.

Russ: they are actions, they are things that are taking place.

Kiri: they’re errors, that’s the closest that I can come to it. Okay…..

Laura: so are they part of karma, what we call karma?

Kiri: karma’s a very slippery and interesting concept that you have, one that I have great difficulty understanding.

Russ: well you have access to all your past lives, how can you have trouble understanding it?

Kiri: it’s the concept of karma.

Russ: oh, I thought that was a pretty simple concept though.

Kiri: pretty simple for you in your definition but there are many different definitions. Karma to the Japanese is actually a spirit.

Russ: oh, okay.

Kiri: so that’s two examples but you see that there are a myriad of possibilities.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: now so when we make a choice, a action, all of them occur. We’ve got that clear?

Skip: yeah.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: okay, everybody understands that.

Laura: yeah.

Skip: yeah.

Russ: yeah.

Kiri: so, it cannot be perfect because without the actions, that would be perfect. A perfect situation is where the outcomes come out exactly the same and as we know, that can’t be. That’s why we’ve done the experiments of tossing the hat and knocking the microphone.

Russ: okay.

Kiri: those are experiments to see or to demonstrate that things are not perfect.

Russ: hmm, so we’re closer to the Sirian terminology then.

Kiri: uh-huh, but there’s not one word.

Russ: there is no one word, it’s a concept.

Kiri: no, there is no one word, it’s a concept.

Skip: hmm.

Kiri: it’s all possible outcomes can occur but without the action of the imperfection, they cannot occur.

Russ: actually got very close to explaining perfection without actually calling it perfection.

Kiri: but it’s not perfection because the outcomes have to occur and it appears as perfection because of all the myriad of possible, infinite number of outcomes.

Russ: that make sense. So if….

Kiri: so that’s why it appears as perfection.

Russ: right, if you took that equation away then yeah, it would be perfection.

Kiri: uh-huh but it can’t be.

Russ: but it can’t be because you have that equation in there that…..

Kiri: correct, because of all the possible outcomes. Okay, any questions?

Russ: no, that covers mine, I understand finally.

Laura: I’m perfectly happy.

Skip: yep.

Kiri: perfect huh?