(Lyka learns about Earth armaments and teaches us about the capabilities of her hip laser and its penetration limits into solid rock to a depth of two feet. We also get some details about the capabilities of the armor of the Sirian Defense Force.) 

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Lyka: okay, you guys got anything you want to ask or talk about? Strategy, brainstorming sessions.

Russ: absolutely, we can go all night on something like strategy and other things like that.

Skip: well I've got my cement block wall up in the back of my house.

Lyka: what's this?

Russ: feline.

Lyka: ahhh.

Russ: domesticis.

Skip: with a steel gate.

Lyka: ahhh, steel gate.

Skip: yeah.

Lyka: how thick?

Skip: chain-link.

Lyka: chain-link hmmm, doesn't offer much protection does it?

Skip: yeah quite a bit. It rolls, it don't swing.

Lyka: but chain-link has holes in it right?

Skip: that's okay, I can see them coming.

Lyka: uh-huh oh okay. What kind of thickness of the wall and how tall?

Skip: oh they're let's see.......the blocks are eight inches thick and they're filled with cement and rebar.

Lyka: okay, will that stop penetration?

Skip: oh yes, with small arms, it won't stop armor naturally.

Lyka: no, no.

Skip: but it will stop small arms.

Lyka: okay, small arms is defined as what size?

Skip: up to I would say......

Russ: 50 caliber?

Skip: oh yeah, it will stop 50 caliber. It won't stop 20 mm though.

Lyka: oh okay.

Skip: Gatlin gun, it'll just chew it up.

Lyka: sizes are confusing me a little bit.

Skip: small arms is anything that's carried with ease I believe.

Lyka: oh okay.

Skip: okay? Machine guns, rifles, well-stocked grenades(?).

Lyka: so Thompson is a small arm then?

Skip: yeah, it's small arms.

Lyka: okay.

Skip: okay?

Lyka: and a Kalashnikov is a small arm?

Skip: a what?

Russ: AK....AK-47.

Skip: oh yeah, yeah because that's just a .223.

Lyka: and a Beretta 50 caliber?

Skip: 50 caliber?

Russ: it's not going anywhere.

Skip: it would chew it eventually but it will stop it for a long time.

Lyka: okay.

Skip: but a 20 mm Gatling gun which is a rotating barrel gun, it'd just chew it down because it would be so much impact.

Lyka: okay so the impact is also a defining.........

Skip: small arms, yeah.

Lyka: okay.

Skip: yeah.

Lyka: so my hip laser would be classified as a small arm.

Skip: laser? I don't know what your penetration is with a laser so I couldn't answer that.

Lyka: I can penetrate through solid rock to about two feet.

Skip: then it's not classified as small arms.

(Russ starts laughing)

Lyka: okay I'm confused now.

Skip: no, you have more capabilities with a laser then we have with projectile type weapons.

Lyka: we use projectile weapons too, it depends on the environment that we're in.

Skip: yeah but your lasers have more penetration then our projectile type.

Lyka: but it won't penetrate our body armor.

Skip: what, lasers?

Lyka: no, it won't penetrate. Projectile weapons will. They will..........a repeated blow from a projectile weapon, let us say you're firing......you fire ten shots at a particular point, that will make it penetrate because the concussion will fracture the material whereas a laser if you leave it on full blast will penetrate because it cooks the armor and breaks it down. But the repeated blow of a projectile on the same spot, and it has to be the same spot, will break down the armor.

Russ: so it means it's a ceramic-based armor?

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: oh okay well we don't have ceramic-based armor.

Russ: no we have Kevlar.

Skip: we use Kevlar and that's not ceramic.

Lyka: that's made out of a fabric correct?

Skip: yeah it's a carbon....

Russ: right which means that the laser would penetrate it but a projectile wouldn't.

Skip: that's correct.

Russ: so it's the opposite of what you're using.

Skip: yeah our armor would be the opposite as your armor.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: where a knife will penetrate our armor....

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: our body armor, a projectile from a gun will not.

Lyka: ahh but wouldn't the velocity of the projectile be burnt off with the discharge, the heat from the discharge?

Skip: no, just the projectile foot per second makes the impact.

Lyka: oh okay.

Skip: we don't have.....we do have but we don't use them because they're in military hands, projectiles out of rifles that will explode on contact.

Lyka: uh-huh, yes I've seen those, they're nasty.

Skip: yeah they are, they get awful nasty.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: but they're pretty good sized, they're about the same size as probably an 8 gauge shotgun which is pretty good-sized.

Lyka: okay, bigger size?

Skip: okay, 8 gauge shotgun, how we classify shotguns is you take a pound of lead.

Lyka: uh-huh.

Skip: and cut it into 8 balls and one of them balls would fit down the barrel.

Lyka: okay.

Skip: that's how they gauge shotguns in this 3-D.

Lyka: yeah I'm being shown how big a pound is.

Skip: okay a pound is probably....I'd say probably as big as my fist.

Lyka: okay. That gives me an idea.

Skip: so that gives you all the gauges for our shotguns.

Lyka: could you hold your fist up a little higher so I can have a look see on the monitor? Okay.

Skip: that gives you all the gauges for all of our shotguns.

Lyka: okay.

Skip: if you're talking about a 20 gauge, there are 20 balls to a pound.

Lyka: okay.

Skip: 16? 16 balls to the pound. 12, 10, 8, 4, each one gets bigger.

Lyka: okay, I think I understand now.

Skip: okay.

Lyka: okay. I better go, I've got a micro bladder

Russ: okay, fair away.

Skip: okay, you gotta go, she's gone (chuckles).